Can Orgs Ever Reach Old Saint Hill Size?
There's been some discussion about how big Old Saint Hill was, and what kinds of stats orgs need to achieve in order to match its production.
I found the following info in Eric Townsend's The Sad Tale of Scientology:
Catarina quotes some great old PLs in an a.r.s. message, including a quote from LRH ED 339R-1 INT 10 Oct 82 THE MAKE-BREAK POINT OF AN ORG:
"And it is very interesting that it went from SIX staff to over 250 in just a few weeks! "
The numbers coincide with what Eric says was reported in the booklet ... although it sounds like the booklet describes an increase from 6 staff to 250 in about 18 months, which seems a LITTLE longer than "just a few weeks" to me.
So, how close are various orgs to that size?
The recent post about Cincinnati org said
"52 of our 78 staff currently, are FULL TIME staff "
In 1998, Charlotte Kates posted the Philly staff list; I count about 30 names.
Based on little bits of info I get here and there, I think SF has about 25-30 people on staff... although I'm not sure if that's Day and Foundation combined, or if D + Fdn would be 50-60.
(Incidentally, in 1995, the San Francisco org held its New Years party at the Spectrum Gallery, which has a capacity of 400 people ... so, theoretically, only about 400 San Francisco Scientologists - or less - would have been expected to show up at a big Scn party then.)
I also have a printout of some game standings from 2001 showing 4 "leagues":
A League AOLA ASHOD CC Int LA Day B League ASHO F Atlanta Chicago Cincinnati Los Gatos Miami Orange County Stevens Creek C League Boston Day Boston Fdn CC Portland DC Day DC Fdn Mountain View New York Day New York Fdn Philadelphia Portland Day Sacramento Saint Louis San Diego San Francisco Day San Francisco Fdn Seattle Day Tampa Twin Cities Fdn D League Albuquerque Ann Arbor Austin Day Austin Fdn Buffalo CC Dallas CC Las Vegas CC Nashville CC New York Columbus Denver Detroit Day Detroit Fdn Hawaii Day Hawaii Fdn Kansas City Las Vegas Day Las Vegas Fdn Long Island Los Angeles Fdn New Haven Orlando Pasadena Phoenix Portland Fdn Puerto Rico Salt Lake City Santa Barbara Seattle Fdn Twin Cities Day Valley
This tells me that the orgs to watch are
Atlanta Chicago Cincinnati Los Gatos Miami Orange County Stevens Creek
... and I would think Mountain View could be added to that list.
Unfortunately, I don't think we have any staff counts for any of those orgs.
However, if Philly and San Francisco are typically in the under 40 staff members range, it seems unlikely to me that any of the B League orgs would be likely to have more than 100 staffers. So trying to get up to 250 staff members seems like a near-impossibility to me.
Now, on the other hand, let's look at the products mentioned in the Eric Townsend book.
"At its peak Saint Hill produced 21 Clears in one week ... The number of students completing courses in any one week averaged between 40 and 50."
Even without completions lists from org mags, I can state with great confidence that no org in B, C, or D League is clearing even 10 people a week, nor does any of them have 40-50 course completions a week.
Heck, AOLA had 1714 TOTAL completions in 2002 - that's courses AND services - and that's the highest ever since at least 1994! (40 course completions a week would, of course, be 2080 course completions a year.)
And according to my database HORTON (Holder of Records, Tallier of Numbers), AOLA's only produced 339 Clears in that entire 10-year period.
So by THAT standard - production of course completions and Clear attests - AOLA is NOT Saint Hill size.
And if AOLA can't manage it, fer cryin out loud - who can?
I would sure love to get staff counts from these other orgs, especially the B League orgs.
Feel free to email me info about any staff counts you know - or, of course, you can drop me an anonymous note at my mailbox.
This page was last updated on July 28, 2004 by Kristi Wachter.