Advance Magazine Stats Discussion - January 2003
TAS : Advance Magazine Stats Discussion - January 2003
From: Emma ([email protected]) Subject: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 2003-01-17 20:20:10 PST I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia There only one auditor made. Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the whole ANZO cont is at this AO. No expanded grades II, III or IV Some on the list are staff (I've marked with a * the staff that I know {and they could be wrong.....it's been a little while} and there are bound to be names of staff on here that I haven't recognised). Only one OEC comp. No Metering comps. Only ONE Pro TRs comp!!! These are the worst stats I've seen EVER!! The last Advance Mag came out a few months ago so its not like it's a weeks stats either...were talking 2-3 months You can see for yourselves how many students completed more than one course (making the numbers of individual students completing a course look even worse). The huge percentage of Asian names (both Japanese and Thai). Anyway here they are: COMPLETIONS LIST VM COURSE Nella Kerr Florence Liu Tarne Woods SCIENTOLOGY DRUG RUNDOWN Rachel Jang Scott Hsiung ARC STRAIGHTWIRE Rachel Jang Fren Shu EXPANDED GRADE 0 Rebecca Collen-Treagus Christine Yang Patricia McNamara Rachel Jeng EXPANDED GRADE 1 Fren Shu Rebecca Collen-Treagus STATE OF CLEAR Bonny Chu Keiji Suzuki SUNSHINE RUNDOWN Bonny Chu SOLO PT 1 Nily Ilan Lindsay Niverson Peter Mulder Rie Ishii Bell H Bockus Cotty Rendon OT PREPS Zsolt Beck Cotty Rendon Yukie Kaneta Makoto Enatsu Thomas Ahl Tsutomu Kato SOLO PT II *Kevin Smith *Don Biondi Rie Ishi OT ELIG Simona Bar Sagi Thomas Phillips *Kevin Smith Clive Tarr *Kumiko Lawrence *Julian Turner *Masami Hirata David Stokes Rie Ishi OT I David Stokes Florence Liu Tammy Basso Bondini Clive Tarr Naomi Inaba Tomoko Fukashima Masami Hirata OT II Tomoo Hayakawa Haruto Setoyama Leigh Price Florence Liu *Joanne Walmsley OT III Phil Bamford Ron Steele Thomas Phillips Tsugihiko Sekine Bulama Liu Tomoo Hayakawa Pip Rendall Kate Kelly OT IV Mardi Cole Bulama Liu Phil Bamford Laszlo Sichnick Diana Welbourne John Sellers Simona Bar Sagi OT V Karolyn Bromwell Misako Uchida Ken Warren Desiree Ryan Brigitte Dimanche Helen Stokes Masaru Hirano Diana Welbourne John Sellers Lawrence Tubb ACADEMY LEVEL III Ian Cairns HQS COURSE Bonny Chu Sean Holbrook Gilad Federman Andy Ponnaz Keiji Suzuki HUBBARD PROFESSIONAL TR's COURSE Steven O'Brien STUDY CERTAINTY COURSE Keiji Suzuki ETHICS SPECIALIST COURSE Masami Hirata *Kevin Brown OEC VOL 0 Kathee Dickey PTS/SP COURSE *Dobsen Wurful Yoko Takeda Jo Moos KTL Florence Liu --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/2002
From: Rev. Damian Von Markil ([email protected]) Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 2003-01-17 20:41:36 PST > I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very > interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia Whooo! *Cheer* [snip] > The huge percentage of Asian names (both Japanese and Thai). Most probably Indonesian or somewhere around there. They seem to be sucking those guys in like theres no tomorrow, especially here in Perth (Where the only recent "raw meat" before my enlightment was Indonesian and their friends). [snip] > OT III > Ron Steele Dad of Steven Steele, PPO of Perth Fdn. Who is only something like 12-13 years old. How is an org meant to grow when its literally manned by kids? [snip] > OT V > Karolyn Bromwell Wife of Dave Bromwell, who's the ex-SO brother of Andrew *insert long-winded expletive about lineage* Bromwell, the current ED of Perth Fdn. Wonder if he's learned from his past mistakes and realised threatening your only Auditor in training *isnt* a clever thing to do. His wife is almost as bad a bottom-dwelling scum-sucker as he is. Although she only caused my fiancee to blow. Ah well, I guess if $cn was run by competent and caring individuals it wouldn't be in so much strife... To the OSA bots who are probably at this moment faxing this to Carmen Harris - Hi. Please send my regards to Andrew and tell him the relationship he and his wife tried *so* hard to stop is actually flourishing :) -- Rev. Damian Von Markil "Justice PURGES Evil. When ALL have been cleansed, the universe achieves PERFECTION."
From: Say What?! (Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]) Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 2003-01-18 00:45:34 PST NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender. -------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, [email protected] wrote: >I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very >interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia > >There only one auditor made. > >Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the >whole ANZO cont is at this AO. > >No expanded grades II, III or IV > >Some on the list are staff (I've marked with a * the staff that I know {and >they could be wrong.....it's been a little while} and there are bound to be >names of staff on here that I haven't recognised). > >Only one OEC comp. > >No Metering comps. > >Only ONE Pro TRs comp!!! > >These are the worst stats I've seen EVER!! The last Advance Mag came out a >few months ago so its not like it's a weeks stats either...were talking 2-3 >months > >You can see for yourselves how many students completed more than one course >(making the numbers of individual students completing a course look even >worse). > >The huge percentage of Asian names (both Japanese and Thai). > >Anyway here they are: Thanks for posting this, Emma. And for adding your comments. I hope you keep it up. SW
From: roger gonnet ([email protected]) Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 2003-01-18 01:16:32 PST Great news you give. Thanks a lot. roger "Emma" [[email protected]] a �crit dans le message de news: [email protected]... > I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very > interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia > > There only one auditor made. > > Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the > whole ANZO cont is at this AO. > > No expanded grades II, III or IV > > Some on the list are staff (I've marked with a * the staff that I know {and > they could be wrong.....it's been a little while} and there are bound to be > names of staff on here that I haven't recognised). > > Only one OEC comp.
From: Cerridwen ([email protected]) Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 2003-01-18 04:47:16 PST NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender. -------------------------------------------------------- "Emma" [[email protected]] wrote in message news:[email protected]... > I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very > interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia WOOO HOOO Emma!! You are the best!!! Thank you so much for posting the Austrialian names. If you don't mind, I will scoop them up, do a count and start keeping the Stats. By the end of 2003 we will have some Aussie Stats!!! Let me know if this is OK or if you would like to keep track of them yourself. Girl you rule!!! Cerri "Informing people doesn't involve trying to silence those who disagree with you." --Prignillius To lurking Scientologists-- Please read the following links: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats.htm http://holycows.org/articles/26unisksw.htm > There only one auditor made. > > Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the > whole ANZO cont is at this AO. > > No expanded grades II, III or IV > [snip]
From: Emma ([email protected]) Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 2003-01-19 05:19:02 PST I would be delighted if you would keep track of the ANZO stats....I'm not real good with stats and it would be a problem for me. Emma
From: Kristi Wachter ([email protected]) Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 2003-01-18 10:53:42 PST "Emma" [[email protected]] writes: >I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very >interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia Oh, Emma, thank you so much for posting this! [sigh] I get so confused having multiple mags with the same name (Advance US, Advance Australia ...) >Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the >whole ANZO cont is at this AO. Really? Oh, that's fascinating. I know in the US there are some orgs where you can go clear - San Francisco, for one. Can someone explain to me the criteria for what services and courses you can do at which locations? >Some on the list are staff (I've marked with a * the staff that I know {and >they could be wrong.....it's been a little while} and there are bound to be >names of staff on here that I haven't recognised). VERY helpful. Thank you! (I don't know if you saw the thread here a while ago about whether staff were included in completions lists. Your data here is very helpful.) >Only ONE Pro TRs comp!!! Why does this one get exclamation marks from you? What's special about this? (As much as I know about Scn, there's SO much I don't know!) Thank you SO much for typing up and posting the completions list! I'll get it up on my stats site (http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/ - but you knew that!) soon. With immense gratitude, Kristi -- Kristi Wachter the activist formerly known as "Jour" (before $cientology outed me) If I am not who you say I am, then you are not who you think you are. - James Baldwin I think $cientology is hurting people and breaking the law, and I want them to stop it. See http://www.scientology-lies.com for more. KSW: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/alteringtech.htm
From: Rev. Damian Von Markil ([email protected]) Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 2003-01-18 18:43:03 PST "Kristi Wachter" [[email protected]] wrote in message news:[email protected]... > "Emma" [[email protected]] writes: > > >I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very > >interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia > > Oh, Emma, thank you so much for posting this! > > [sigh] I get so confused having multiple mags with the same name (Advance > US, Advance Australia ...) > > >Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the > >whole ANZO cont is at this AO. > > Really? Oh, that's fascinating. I know in the US there are some orgs where > you can go clear - San Francisco, for one. > > Can someone explain to me the criteria for what services and courses you > can do at which locations? You'd need an Auditor "team" capable of delivering the CCRD (Clear Certainty Rundown). That is, an auditor to deliver it and a C/S to C/S it. Might be one other but I'm not sure. > > >Some on the list are staff (I've marked with a * the staff that I know {and > >they could be wrong.....it's been a little while} and there are bound to be > >names of staff on here that I haven't recognised). > > VERY helpful. Thank you! > > (I don't know if you saw the thread here a while ago about whether staff > were included in completions lists. Your data here is very helpful.) > > >Only ONE Pro TRs comp!!! > > Why does this one get exclamation marks from you? What's special about > this? Because Pro TR's is *the* "backbone" of becoming an auditor. You don't pass TRs, you dont become an auditor, you dont make releases etc.
From: Emma ([email protected]) Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 2003-01-19 05:35:03 PST In Australia at present I believe there are still not the level of auditors required in most Class V orgs. To make a Clear in your own Org you need a CCRD auditor and CCRD C/S and although these can be Clear-Class V Graduate auditors who have done the extra training, they are usually Class VI auditors and Class VI C/S's, i.e St Hill Special Briefing Course Graduates (This course has a checksheet time in the months). What usually happens in a Class V Org is that a PC is audited on up to NED and will usually originate "Clear" somewhere on one of the NED R/Ds. When this happens the PC is shipped off to AOSH ANZO to do the CCRD and Sunshine R/D if they do attest to Clear. There are plans in the wings to have the neccessary auditors in each Class V Org to make Clears themselves, but as it stands currently this is not the case (unless of course one or two of the ANZO class V Orgs have managed to pull this off recently but I highly doubt it). So what it means to have only made two clears at this AO is that every Class V org on the Cont, PLUS the AO themselves have only produced 2 Clears combined. At this rate it is going to take a VERY long time to clear ANZO. My suprise at only one Pro TRs comp is because this is THE most pushed course in Scientology IMHO. EVERY Scn'ist is expected to do it whether you are studying to be an auditor, administrator, or just a PC. TRs and metering are the "backbone of auditing" and with only 1 Pro TRs comp and NO metering comps this means there is a big problem with the making of auditors. Since the launch of the GAT these two courses have become almost impossible to complete as they have been messed with really badly so usually there are heaps of people stuck on them for months & months....but most do eventually finish, especially if they go to the AO-but not in this mag :) Oh....and you are welcome :)...Cerri too :) Emma
From: Say What?! (Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]) Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: 2003-01-19 21:13:21 PST On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, [email protected] wrote: >My suprise at only one Pro TRs comp is because this is THE most pushed >course in Scientology IMHO. EVERY Scn'ist is expected to do it whether you >are studying to be an auditor, administrator, or just a PC. TRs and metering >are the "backbone of auditing" and with only 1 Pro TRs comp and NO metering >comps this means there is a big problem with the making of auditors. Very good point. SW