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Advance Magazine Stats Discussion - January 2003

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From: Emma (emmma@BonBon.net)
Subject: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2003-01-17 20:20:10 PST 

I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very
interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia

There only one auditor made.

Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the
whole ANZO cont is at this AO.

No expanded grades II, III or IV

Some on the list are staff (I've marked with a * the staff that I know {and
they could be wrong.....it's been a little while} and there are bound to be
names of staff on here that I haven't recognised).

Only one OEC comp.

No Metering comps.

Only ONE Pro TRs comp!!!

These are the worst stats I've seen EVER!! The last Advance Mag came out a
few months ago so its not like it's a weeks stats either...were talking 2-3
months

You can see for yourselves how many students completed more than one course
(making the numbers of individual students completing a course look even
worse).

The huge percentage of Asian names (both Japanese and Thai).

Anyway here they are:

COMPLETIONS LIST

VM COURSE
Nella Kerr
Florence Liu
Tarne Woods

SCIENTOLOGY DRUG RUNDOWN
Rachel Jang
Scott Hsiung

ARC STRAIGHTWIRE
Rachel Jang
Fren Shu

EXPANDED GRADE 0
Rebecca Collen-Treagus
Christine Yang
Patricia McNamara
Rachel Jeng

EXPANDED GRADE 1
Fren Shu
Rebecca Collen-Treagus

STATE OF CLEAR
Bonny Chu
Keiji Suzuki

SUNSHINE RUNDOWN
Bonny Chu

SOLO PT 1
Nily Ilan
Lindsay Niverson
Peter Mulder
Rie Ishii
Bell H Bockus
Cotty Rendon

OT PREPS
Zsolt Beck
Cotty Rendon
Yukie Kaneta
Makoto Enatsu
Thomas Ahl
Tsutomu Kato

SOLO PT II
*Kevin Smith
*Don Biondi
Rie Ishi

OT ELIG
Simona Bar Sagi
Thomas Phillips
*Kevin Smith
Clive Tarr
*Kumiko Lawrence
*Julian Turner
*Masami Hirata
David Stokes
Rie Ishi

OT I
David Stokes
Florence Liu
Tammy Basso Bondini
Clive Tarr
Naomi Inaba
Tomoko Fukashima
Masami Hirata

OT II
Tomoo Hayakawa
Haruto Setoyama
Leigh Price
Florence Liu
*Joanne Walmsley

OT III
Phil Bamford
Ron Steele
Thomas Phillips
Tsugihiko Sekine
Bulama Liu
Tomoo Hayakawa
Pip Rendall
Kate Kelly

OT IV
Mardi Cole
Bulama Liu
Phil Bamford
Laszlo Sichnick
Diana Welbourne
John Sellers
Simona Bar Sagi

OT V
Karolyn Bromwell
Misako Uchida
Ken Warren
Desiree Ryan
Brigitte Dimanche
Helen Stokes
Masaru Hirano
Diana Welbourne
John Sellers
Lawrence Tubb

ACADEMY LEVEL III
Ian Cairns

HQS COURSE
Bonny Chu
Sean Holbrook
Gilad Federman
Andy Ponnaz
Keiji Suzuki

HUBBARD PROFESSIONAL TR's COURSE
Steven O'Brien

STUDY CERTAINTY COURSE
Keiji Suzuki

ETHICS SPECIALIST COURSE
Masami Hirata
*Kevin Brown

OEC VOL 0
Kathee Dickey

PTS/SP COURSE
*Dobsen Wurful
Yoko Takeda
Jo Moos

KTL
Florence Liu

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From: Rev. Damian Von Markil (jormungandNOSPAM@bigpond.com)
Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2003-01-17 20:41:36 PST 

> I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very
> interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia
Whooo! *Cheer*

[snip]
> The huge percentage of Asian names (both Japanese and Thai).
Most probably Indonesian or somewhere around there. They seem
to be sucking those guys in like theres no tomorrow, especially here
in Perth (Where the only recent "raw meat" before my enlightment
was Indonesian and their friends).

[snip]
> OT III
> Ron Steele
Dad of Steven Steele, PPO of Perth Fdn. Who is only something
like 12-13 years old. How is an org meant to grow when its literally
manned by kids?

[snip]
> OT V
> Karolyn Bromwell
Wife of Dave Bromwell, who's the ex-SO brother of Andrew
*insert long-winded expletive about lineage* Bromwell, the current
ED of Perth Fdn. Wonder if he's learned from his past mistakes and
realised threatening your only Auditor in training *isnt* a clever thing
to do. His wife is almost as bad a bottom-dwelling scum-sucker as he
is. Although she only caused my fiancee to blow. Ah well, I guess if
$cn was run by competent and caring individuals it wouldn't be in so
much strife...

To the OSA bots who are probably at this moment faxing this to
Carmen Harris - Hi. Please send my regards to Andrew and tell him
the relationship he and his wife tried *so* hard to stop is actually
flourishing :)

--
Rev. Damian Von Markil

"Justice PURGES Evil. When ALL have been
cleansed, the universe achieves PERFECTION."


From: Say What?! (Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1])
Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2003-01-18 00:45:34 PST 

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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, emmma@BonBon.net wrote:

>I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very
>interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia
>
>There only one auditor made.
>
>Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the
>whole ANZO cont is at this AO.
>
>No expanded grades II, III or IV
>
>Some on the list are staff (I've marked with a * the staff that I know {and
>they could be wrong.....it's been a little while} and there are bound to be
>names of staff on here that I haven't recognised).
>
>Only one OEC comp.
>
>No Metering comps.
>
>Only ONE Pro TRs comp!!!
>
>These are the worst stats I've seen EVER!! The last Advance Mag came out a
>few months ago so its not like it's a weeks stats either...were talking 2-3
>months
>
>You can see for yourselves how many students completed more than one course
>(making the numbers of individual students completing a course look even
>worse).
>
>The huge percentage of Asian names (both Japanese and Thai).
>
>Anyway here they are:

Thanks for posting this, Emma.  And for adding your comments.  I hope you
keep it up.  

SW


From: roger gonnet (gonnet@antisectes.net)
Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2003-01-18 01:16:32 PST 

Great news you give.

Thanks a lot.

roger
"Emma" [emmma@BonBon.net] a ˇcrit dans le message de news:
3e28d57d$0$27993$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very
> interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia
>
> There only one auditor made.
>
> Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the
> whole ANZO cont is at this AO.
>
> No expanded grades II, III or IV
>
> Some on the list are staff (I've marked with a * the staff that I know {and
> they could be wrong.....it's been a little while} and there are bound to be
> names of staff on here that I haven't recognised).
>
> Only one OEC comp. 


From: Cerridwen (Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header.gmsociety.org)
Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2003-01-18 04:47:16 PST 

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"Emma" [emmma@BonBon.net] wrote in message 
news:3e28d57d$0$27993$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says  some very
> interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia

WOOO HOOO Emma!! You are the best!!! 

Thank you so much for posting the Austrialian names.  

If you don't mind, I will scoop them up, do a count and start
keeping the Stats.  By the end of 2003 we will have some 
Aussie Stats!!!  Let me know if this is OK or if you would
like to keep track of them yourself.

Girl you rule!!!

Cerri

"Informing people doesn't involve trying to silence those who
disagree with you."  --Prignillius

To lurking Scientologists-- Please read the following links:
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats.htm
http://holycows.org/articles/26unisksw.htm

> There only one auditor made.
> 
> Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in  the
> whole ANZO cont is at this AO.
> 
> No expanded grades II, III or IV
> 
[snip]



From: Emma (emmma@BonBon.net)
Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2003-01-19 05:19:02 PST 

I would be delighted if you would keep track of the ANZO stats....I'm not
real good with stats and it would be a problem for me.

Emma



From: Kristi Wachter (humanrights@racerrecords.com)
Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2003-01-18 10:53:42 PST 

"Emma" [emmma@BonBon.net] writes:

>I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very
>interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia

Oh, Emma, thank you so much for posting this!

[sigh] I get so confused having multiple mags with the same name (Advance 
US, Advance Australia ...)

>Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the
>whole ANZO cont is at this AO.

Really? Oh, that's fascinating. I know in the US there are some orgs where 
you can go clear - San Francisco, for one.

Can someone explain to me the criteria for what services and courses you 
can do at which locations?

>Some on the list are staff (I've marked with a * the staff that I know {and
>they could be wrong.....it's been a little while} and there are bound to be
>names of staff on here that I haven't recognised).

VERY helpful. Thank you!

(I don't know if you saw the thread here a while ago about whether staff 
were included in completions lists. Your data here is very helpful.)

>Only ONE Pro TRs comp!!!

Why does this one get exclamation marks from you? What's special about 
this?

(As much as I know about Scn, there's SO much I don't know!)

Thank you SO much for typing up and posting the completions list! I'll get 
it up on my stats site (http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/ - but 
you knew that!) soon.

With immense gratitude,

Kristi

--
Kristi Wachter
the activist formerly known as "Jour" (before $cientology outed me)

If I am not who you say I am, then you are not who you think you are.
  - James Baldwin

I think $cientology is hurting people and breaking the law, and I
want them to stop it. See http://www.scientology-lies.com for more.

   KSW: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/alteringtech.htm


From: Rev. Damian Von Markil (jormungandNOSPAM@bigpond.com)
Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2003-01-18 18:43:03 PST 

"Kristi Wachter" [humanrights@racerrecords.com] wrote in message
news:3e29a2b1$1@news2.lightlink.com...
> "Emma" [emmma@BonBon.net] writes:
>
> >I thought I'd go to the trouble of typing this up because is says some very
> >interesting things about $cn and especially $cn in Australia
>
> Oh, Emma, thank you so much for posting this!
>
> [sigh] I get so confused having multiple mags with the same name (Advance
> US, Advance Australia ...)
>
> >Only 2 Clears. Bear in mind the only place a person can go clear in the
> >whole ANZO cont is at this AO.
>
> Really? Oh, that's fascinating. I know in the US there are some orgs where
> you can go clear - San Francisco, for one.
>
> Can someone explain to me the criteria for what services and courses you
> can do at which locations?
You'd need an Auditor "team" capable of delivering the CCRD (Clear
Certainty Rundown). That is, an auditor to deliver it and a C/S to C/S it.
Might be one other but I'm not sure.

>
> >Some on the list are staff (I've marked with a * the staff that I know {and
> >they could be wrong.....it's been a little while} and there are bound to be
> >names of staff on here that I haven't recognised).
>
> VERY helpful. Thank you!
>
> (I don't know if you saw the thread here a while ago about whether staff
> were included in completions lists. Your data here is very helpful.)
>
> >Only ONE Pro TRs comp!!!
>
> Why does this one get exclamation marks from you? What's special about
> this?
Because Pro TR's is *the* "backbone" of becoming an auditor. You don't
pass TRs, you dont become an auditor, you dont make releases etc.


From: Emma (emmma@BonBon.net)
Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2003-01-19 05:35:03 PST 

In Australia at present I believe there are still not the level of auditors
required in most Class V orgs. To make a Clear in your own Org you need a
CCRD auditor and CCRD C/S and although these can be Clear-Class V Graduate
auditors who have done the extra training, they are usually Class VI
auditors and Class VI C/S's, i.e St Hill Special Briefing Course Graduates
(This course has a checksheet time in the months).

What usually happens in a Class V Org is that a PC is audited on up to NED
and will usually originate "Clear" somewhere on one of the NED R/Ds. When
this happens the PC is shipped off to AOSH ANZO to do the CCRD and Sunshine
R/D if they do attest to Clear.

There are plans in the wings to have the neccessary auditors in each Class V
Org to make Clears themselves, but as it stands currently this is not the
case (unless of course one or two of the ANZO class V Orgs have managed to
pull this off recently but I highly doubt it).

So what it means to have only made two clears at this AO is that every Class
V org on the Cont, PLUS the AO themselves have only produced 2 Clears
combined. At this rate it is going to take a VERY long time to clear ANZO.

My suprise at only one Pro TRs comp is because this is THE most pushed
course in Scientology IMHO. EVERY Scn'ist is expected to do it whether you
are studying to be an auditor, administrator, or just a PC. TRs and metering
are the "backbone of auditing" and with only 1 Pro TRs comp and NO metering
comps this means there is a big problem with the making of auditors.

Since the launch of the GAT these two courses have become almost impossible
to complete as they have been messed with really badly so usually there are
heaps of people stuck on them for months & months....but most do eventually
finish, especially if they go to the AO-but not in this mag :)

Oh....and you are welcome :)...Cerri too :)

Emma




From: Say What?! (Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1])
Subject: Re: Advance Mag-Issue 161 January 2003 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2003-01-19 21:13:21 PST 

On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, emmma@BonBon.net wrote:

>My suprise at only one Pro TRs comp is because this is THE most pushed
>course in Scientology IMHO. EVERY Scn'ist is expected to do it whether you
>are studying to be an auditor, administrator, or just a PC. TRs and metering
>are the "backbone of auditing" and with only 1 Pro TRs comp and NO metering
>comps this means there is a big problem with the making of auditors.

Very good point.

SW

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