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Advance Magazine Stats Discussion - October 2002

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From: Cerridwen (Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header)
Subject: AOLA Stats October 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-10-08 10:57:30 PST 

This data is gleaned from Advance Magazines

Issue 156 circa Dec 2001
Issue 157 circa Jan 2002    
Issue 158 circa April 2002  
Issue 159 circa July 2002
Issue 160 circa Oct 2002

Important note:  These issues are always a few months behind.  Oct.
2002 issue is actually reporting on completions from 2 to 3 months 
earlier.

AOLA  stats   156 157 158 159   160
    
    
M1 Word Clearing 0 0 0 0     0
    
Scn Drug Rundown 1 0 0 0     0
    
Happiness RD Auditing 0 1 3 0     0
    
NED Drug Rundown 1 0 2 0     0
    
NED Case Completion 1 0 2 1     0
    
Grade V Power  0 0 2 1     0
    
Grade VA Power  1 0 3 1     0
    
The State of Clear 12 10 8 12    9
    
The Clearing Course 2 0 0 0     1
    
Sunshine RD auditing 13 10 8 12    8     
    
Solo Auditor Part 1 31 16 27 37    17
    
Solo  Certainty Course 12 3 30 6     2
    
OT Preparations  20 12 0 59    26
    
Solo Auditor  Part II 38 37 21 60    24
    
OT Eligibility  33 21 34 60    25
    
R6EW   2 1 4 7     3
    
New OT 1  32 50 46 63    36
    
OT II   19 36 56 76    36
    
OT III   16 29 40 70    40
    
OT III Expanded  0 4 1 0     0
    
New OT IV  9 15 26 73    30
    
New OT V  15 18 17 50    23
    
OT Doctorate Course 2 2 0 5     6
    
Ext. and the Phenomena
of Space Course         0 1 0 2     0
    
Hubbard Key to Life   0 1 2 0     0
    
Life Orientation  0 1 3 1     0
    
Hubbard Specialist
of Standard Tech 0 0 0 1     0
    
Totals   260 268 335 597   286

The stats at AOLA are definitely crashed.
  

The time periods between Mags (Issues 157, 158,159 and 160)
are spread out fairly even so it reflects a rather accurate
picture.

It looks like the big UPSTAT in Issue 159 was nothing more
than a "backlog" at the AOLA that finally got handled,  I am 
pretty sure it had to do with the big push from the OT Ambassadors
and they managed to get the "Products that could easily be 
completed" per the debug tech.  [Errrr... the debug tech has
nothing to do with handling bt's   :-}  ]

What it means is that there were a few Clears and OT's 
sitting in the LA field that could easily have been 
gotten back onto service.  

As I expected they did not maintain a continued uptrend.  

Recent reports from Tory say that a visit to L. Ron 
Hubbard Way showed a very non active street. 

I think the "easy" starts were put through the 
Scn mill and we now we are going to see a steady 
decline of OT's made. Or maybe I should say that
this decline will continue until the next massive push.

Addtionally as Lulu Belle pointed out, it looks like they
did some kind of PAC Base sort out.  It appears (but of 
course this can change) that AOLA no longer delivers any
services below Clear except for OT Preps.  

-- 
Cerridwen

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From: Ted Mayett (ted-mayett@skylink.net)
Subject: Re: AOLA Stats October 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-10-08 12:40:23 PST 

On 8 Oct 2002 17:56:26 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
(Cerridwen) wrote:

 
>Totals   260 268 335 597   286
>
>The stats at AOLA are definitely crashed.
>  
>
>The time periods between Mags (Issues 157, 158,159 and 160)
>are spread out fairly even so it reflects a rather accurate
>picture.
>
>It looks like the big UPSTAT in Issue 159 was nothing more
>than a "backlog" at the AOLA that finally got handled,  I am 
>pretty sure it had to do with the big push from the OT Ambassadors
>and they managed to get the "Products that could easily be 
>completed" per the debug tech.  [Errrr... the debug tech has
>nothing to do with handling bt's   :-}  ]
>
>What it means is that there were a few Clears and OT's 
>sitting in the LA field that could easily have been 
>gotten back onto service.  
>
>As I expected they did not maintain a continued uptrend.  
>

Yeah well, except for your Postulate, they might have.  :-)

>Recent reports from Tory say that a visit to L. Ron 
>Hubbard Way showed a very non active street. 
>
>I think the "easy" starts were put through the 
>Scn mill and we now we are going to see a steady 
>decline of OT's made. Or maybe I should say that
>this decline will continue until the next massive push.
>

Well, per your writings here, the next massive push cannot accomplish
much as the back-log has been handled, as the "easy" starts have been
handled.

>Addtionally as Lulu Belle pointed out, it looks like they
>did some kind of PAC Base sort out.  It appears (but of 
>course this can change) that AOLA no longer delivers any
>services below Clear except for OT Preps.  


From: Mike G (UltraMike7@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: AOLA Stats October 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-10-08 13:15:11 PST 

It appears they may have been rushing OT3
completions??

Mike G.


From: basicbasic (basic2basic@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: AOLA Stats October 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-10-08 16:17:24 PST 

Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Cerridwen) wrote in message >     
> The State of Clear 12 10 8 12    9

 Hi Elder Goddess,
                 It may be of some interest for others to know
comparative stats from the freezone. These are not so easily determined
for many reasons. 

  Tommy Thomsons Freezone group has made 25 clears in  approx
this same time period. This is solely the efforts of Tom himself. 
He is an exceptional power terminal.

  There are of course many other groups and people in the FZ. I believe
in terms of auditing the FZ may be now equalling the COS. We still lag 
in training. But this applies to recent internet FZ groups. In
Europe, Rons Orgs, have been very successful. For example 50
people doing OT 3 seminars in one time. And people being trained. 
They have successful USA members also. They do standard bridge to 
OT 3. Been there 20 or so years!

  We are free!! easy and loose. Even I ED FZAOINT do not know 
all production at any moment. I can hear of  someone with 6 people 
on line and  by chance. Some doing levels. A big push for SHBC. 

  And from the data I have, I believe most of the freezone is not 
even communicating on the net. 

     bb

  bbafzao@hotmail.com

  http://www.fzaoint.org


From: basicbasic (basic2basic@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: AOLA Stats October 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-10-09 15:03:57 PST 

deomorto@my-deja.com (Deomorto) wrote in message 
[cde9ed89.0210090638.6d078dab@posting.google.com]...
> UltraMike7@webtv.net (Mike G) wrote in message 
[24530-3DA38588-255@storefull-2251.public.lawson.webtv.net]...
> > "He (Tommy) is an exceptional power terminal"
> > 
> > When I hear smack talk like that, I wanna reach for my revolver. -)
> > 
> > Mike G.
> 
> You know - I reckon that in a hundred years or so there will be this
> little enclave in LA or Clearwater where the inhabitants all talk like
> this, it will become a tourist attraction "Come see the quaint
> scientologists" and people will take tours and the inhabitants will
> show how cars should really be washed and windows and other great
> breakthroughs of Hubbard;s tech. The inhabitants will spend their days
> investigating each other and selecting each other for services and
> some will try and find the connections of the visitors.
> 
> It will be a little time warp of the 1950's and 60's and 70's.

  Hi Deo,
        Your probably in the ball park. Pilot saw it as ritual sec-checking.
That is now quite close. 

  The FZ is free. Free to have idiots. To paraphrase the bible, "the idiots 
will always be with us."

  Also free to deliver with no arbitraries. And to explore, expand. 

      bb


From: Curtis (crtism@cox.net)
Subject: Re: AOLA Stats October 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-10-08 19:23:48 PST 

Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Cerridwen,

My ex-wife now, and I did the KTL course at AOLA when it first came
out.

Cost $7000 each.

It is a heavy education in word clearing and I don't regret doing it,
just the price, false promises and time it took.

We were told (regged)we would complete in 2 weeks and it took one
year.

My take is that KTL is for someone with less then a college education
and the CS thinks this person may have a hard time duplicating LRH. 
Like a Movie Star, Real Estate Agent, Musician, Artist, Contractor and
so on. Maybe someone who likes detours on the bridge with expendible
income. It does cost over a half million dollars+ to get to OT 8.

I don't think this new public is going waste their time looking up the
def of a or you, pronouns (et al.).  Word clear all the definitions to
VGIs and maybe become a better money maker.

Past and current failed successful money making history after doing
KTL and LOC is the reason for curent down-stat comps in my opinion.


From: Lulu Belle (exesso96@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: AOLA Stats October 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-10-09 03:16:26 PST 

Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Cerridwen) wrote in message 
[GGDK4CM037537.5391898148@anonymous.poster]...
> This data is gleaned from Advance Magazines
> 

[snip stats]

Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Cerridwen) wrote in message news:

GGDK4CM037537.5391898148@anonymous.poster...

> This data is gleaned from Advance Magazines
> 
> Issue 156 circa Dec 2001
> Issue 157 circa Jan 2002    
> Issue 158 circa April 2002  
> Issue 159 circa July 2002
> Issue 160 circa Oct 2002
> 
> Important note:  These issues are always a few months behind.  Oct.
> 2002 issue is actually reporting on completions from 2 to 3 months 
> earlier.
> 
> 
> AOLA  stats   156 157 158 159   160
>     
>     
> M1 Word Clearing 0 0 0 0     0
>     
> Scn Drug Rundown 1 0 0 0     0
>     
> Happiness RD Auditing 0 1 3 0     0
>     
> NED Drug Rundown 1 0 2 0     0
>     
> NED Case Completion 1 0 2 1     0
>     
> Grade V Power  0 0 2 1     0
>     
> Grade VA Power  1 0 3 1     0
>     
> The State of Clear 12 10 8 12    9
>     
> The Clearing Course 2 0 0 0     1
>     
> Sunshine RD auditing 13 10 8 12    8     
>     
> Solo Auditor Part 1 31 16 27 37    17
>     
> Solo  Certainty Course 12 3 30 6     2
>     
> OT Preparations  20 12 0 59    26
>     
> Solo Auditor  Part II 38 37 21 60    24
>     
> OT Eligibility  33 21 34 60    25
>     
> R6EW   2 1 4 7     3
>     
> New OT 1  32 50 46 63    36
>     
> OT II   19 36 56 76    36
>     
> OT III   16 29 40 70    40
>     
> OT III Expanded  0 4 1 0     0
>     
> New OT IV  9 15 26 73    30
>     
> New OT V  15 18 17 50    23
>     
> OT Doctorate Course 2 2 0 5     6
>     
> Ext. and the Phenomena
> of Space Course         0 1 0 2     0
>     
> Hubbard Key to Life   0 1 2 0     0
>     
> Life Orientation  0 1 3 1     0
>     
> Hubbard Specialist
> of Standard Tech 0 0 0 1     0
>     
> Totals   260 268 335 597   286
> 
> The stats at AOLA are definitely crashed.
>   
> 
> The time periods between Mags (Issues 157, 158,159 and 160)
> are spread out fairly even so it reflects a rather accurate
> picture.
> 
> It looks like the big UPSTAT in Issue 159 was nothing more
> than a "backlog" at the AOLA that finally got handled,  I am 
> pretty sure it had to do with the big push from the OT Ambassadors
> and they managed to get the "Products that could easily be 
> completed" per the debug tech.  

I'm trying to think what would cause a huge affluence in comps around
June and July like this. A couple of ideas based on what's I've seen
done in the past:

1) A special OT Package that ended around the end of the Birthday Game
in March. (This means that people get a discount on their services if
they buy a lot of them together, like Solo through OT III plus a few
intensives of Preps.).

2) A special Service Completion Award. This is a cerain amount of
money that a person gets back after completing a service, that he gets
to put towards his next service. Uusally, if I recall correctly, he
has to stay and complete the next service to get it. This keeps the
guy around to complete a block of services.

Generally, this kind of stuff is offered before the end of the
Birthday Game, to push the GI and Arrivals stats up. Sometimes
management decides to continue them for a period of time after the
Birthday Game is over to keep stats from crashing right after March.

A big GI and Arrivals push around March would give a big affluence in
comps around mid-summer.

Cerri, if you get Advance, you must get other promo from the orgs. Do
you read it? Do you remember seeing a lot of OT Package promo or promo
about SCAs earlier in the year?

If you do get other promo, it would be a good idea to read it. I'd
love to see you post about it. This gives important info about
management's and the org's current "strategy" to get stats up.



From: Magoo (magoo44@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: AOLA Stats October 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-10-13 01:09:28 PST 

C

Man oh  man!!! The AOLA stats are most definitely CRASHED!!

As you've said, I have driven by periodically and am forever amazed at what
a ghost town the complex is, from what it used to be in it's hay day. I
remember people bustling around really all of the orgs.

Now....? Well, you've posted the most important thing: The actual stats of
completions.

We should see if we could get a comp list from years ago, to show the
comparison. Good grief,
when Dianetic Clear came out there was SUCH a flood....two people have my
Clear Number. Me and someone else. :)

Best to you,

Tory/Magoo!


From: Cerridwen (Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header)
Subject: Re: AOLA Stats October 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-10-08 15:46:59 PST 

"Ted Mayett" [ted-mayett@skylink.net] wrote in message 
news:rsc6qu4umoaukunm16b8cogiap5gks28ca@4ax.com...

> On 8 Oct 2002 17:56:26 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
> (Cerridwen) wrote:
> 
> >
> >As I expected they did not maintain a continued uptrend.  
> >
> 
> Yeah well, except for your Postulate, they might have.  :-)

True, I wonder if this will come up in my next sec check  ;->

[That was a joke for the humor impaired] 

> 
> >Recent reports from Tory say that a visit to L. Ron 
> >Hubbard Way showed a very non active street. 
> >
> >I think the "easy" starts were put through the 
> >Scn mill and we now we are going to see a steady 
> >decline of OT's made. Or maybe I should say that
> >this decline will continue until the next massive push.
> >
> 
> Well, per your writings here, the next massive push cannot accomplish
> much as the back-log has been handled, as the "easy" starts have been
> handled.

I don't think they will get as big a jump in the next push but they will
somehow manage to move the stats up again.

It must be living hell to be a staff member right now, especially 
an SO member.  Unless you've been there, you have no idea 
of the amount of pressure that the staff is put under.  

It's quite unpleasant.  Nothing I would ever want to experience again.

Cerridwen


From: Cerridwen (Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header)
Subject: Re: AOLA Stats October 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-10-12 06:23:13 PST 

"Lulu Belle" [exesso96@yahoo.com] wrote in message
news:7db3d0ad.0210090216.5ca4a445@posting.google.com...
> Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Cerridwen) wrote in message 
[GGDK4CM037537.5391898148@anonymous.poster]...
> > This data is gleaned from Advance Magazines
> >
> > Issue 156 circa Dec 2001
> > Issue 157 circa Jan 2002
> > Issue 158 circa April 2002
> > Issue 159 circa July 2002
> > Issue 160 circa Oct 2002
> >
> > Important note:  These issues are always a few months behind. Oct.
> > 2002 issue is actually reporting on completions from 2 to 3 months
> > earlier.

>
> I'm trying to think what would cause a huge affluence in comps around
> June and July like this. A couple of ideas based on what's I've seen
> done in the past:

Actually per the above stats, the big increase probably happened
in March April and May as those mags are 2 to 3 months behind 
in reporting stats.  

This means that at least a portion of the big push was to get stat
up by March 13th ( LRH's birthday) but certainly would not account for 
all of them

>
> 1) A special OT Package that ended around the end of the Birthday Game
> in March. (This means that people get a discount on their services if
> they buy a lot of them together, like Solo through OT III plus a few
> intensives of Preps.).
>
> 2) A special Service Completion Award. This is a cerain amount of
> money that a person gets back after completing a service, that he gets
> to put towards his next service. Uusally, if I recall correctly, he
> has to stay and complete the next service to get it. This keeps the
> guy around to complete a block of services.
>
> Generally, this kind of stuff is offered before the end of the
> Birthday Game, to push the GI and Arrivals stats up. Sometimes
> management decides to continue them for a period of time after the
> Birthday Game is over to keep stats from crashing right after March.
>
> A big GI and Arrivals push around March would give a big affluence in
> comps around mid-summer.

I agree that it could have been any one of these things or all of them
combined.

>
> Cerri, if you get Advance, you must get other promo from the orgs. Do
> you read it? Do you remember seeing a lot of OT Package promo or promo
> about SCAs earlier in the year?

I very rarely read the promo, [turns red] but I will start as I do 
think it's important to know about special deals being offered
in order to do an more accurate analysis of the stats.

For instance CCINT was offering some kind of deal where you
get your Purif for $200.00 if you bought a major service and this
explains why there Purif Comps were so high.

>
> If you do get other promo, it would be a good idea to read it. I'd
> love to see you post about it. This gives important info about
> management's and the org's current "strategy" to get stats up.

OK It's a deal.  I'll post what I find about the packages.  

Cerri

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