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Advance Magazine Stats Discussion - August 2002

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From: Cerridwen (anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org )
Subject: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-21 10:07:19 PST 

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This data is gleaned from Advance Magazines

Issue 156 circa Dec 2001
Issue 157 circa Jan 2002    
Issue 158 circa April 2002  
Issue 159 circa July 2002

Important note:  These issues are always a few months behind.  July 
2002 issue is actually reporting on completions from 2 to 3 months 
earlier.


AOLA  stats   156 157 158 159
    
    
M1 Word Clearing 0 0 0 0
    
Scn Drug Rundown 1 0 0 0
    
Happiness RD Auditing 0 1 3 0
    
NED Drug Rundown 1 0 2 0
    
NED Case Completion 1 0 2 1
    
Grade V Power  0 0 2 1
    
Grade VA Power  1 0 3 1
    
The State of Clear 12 10 8 12
    
The Clearing Course 2 0 0 0
    
Sunshine RD auditing 13 10 8 12
    
Solo Auditor Part 1 31 16 27 37
    
Solo  Certainty Course 12 3 30 6
    
OT Preparations  20 12 0 59
    
Solo Auditor  Part II 38 37 21 60
    
OT Eligibility  33 21 34 60
    
R6EW   2 1 4 7
    
New OT 1  32 50 46 63
    
OT II   19 36 56 76
    
OT III   16 29 40 70
    
OT III Expanded  0 4 1 0
    
New OT IV  9 15 26 73
    
New OT V  15 18 17 50
    
OT Doctorate Course 2 2 0 5
    
Ext. and the Phenomena
of Space Course         0 1 0 2
    
Hubbard Key to Life   0 1 2 0
    
 Life Orientation  0 1 3 1
    
Hubbard Specialist
of Standard Tech 0 0 0 1
    
Totals   260 268 335 597

The stats at AOLA are definitely up.

Now before anyone starts howling that they are all false, I have to 
tell you that this data is obtained by a hand count of completions.  

The time periods between Mags (Issues 157, 158 and 159)
are spread out evenly so it's not as if they are stacking the numbers 
That wouldn't work anyway as I am wise to that deception.

What I think you may be seeing here is a "backlog" at
the AOLA that finally got handled.  This means that there
were quite a few Clears and OT's sitting in the LA field that could 
easily have been gotten back onto service.  

If you look at the OT Ambassador goals for 2002 you will see that 
handling this "backlog" was a major priority.

This trend may last for another few months and the next
Advance Mag stats may show a continued increase but I kind of doubt it.

Reports from Tory say that a recent visit to L. Ron Hubbard Way show a 
very non active street. I think the "easy" starts were put through the 
Scn mill and we are going to see a steady decline of OT's made.  

I'll keep you posted.

-- 
Cerridwen

Lurking Scientologists start here:
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats.htm


 
From: WazNScn (waznscn@aol.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-21 10:25:27 PST 

>What I think you may be seeing here is a "backlog" at
>the AOLA that finally got handled.  This means that there
>were quite a few Clears and OT's sitting in the LA field that could 
>easily have been gotten back onto service. 

I am of the opinion that they are pushing people up the bridge. It makes the
stats look better and it keeps people on the lower end of the bridge happy.
There were too many stalled and people on the bridge were beginning to look at
the never-ending/non-progressing bridge and not be so thrilled. 

I know someone that spent MONTHS recently on OT 1 and then got through OT 3 in
a matter of a couple of weeks. Considering that it is all BTs from OT 3 on --
what does it really matter???! 


  
From: Deomorto (deomorto@my-deja.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-22 00:43:26 PST 
"Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in message 
[b556547b650bcd0529a238ae0fcd9589@anonymous.poster] ... 

> NOTICE: This message may not have been sent by the Sender Name 
> above.  Always use cryptographic digital signatures to verify 
> the identity of the sender of any usenet post or e-mail.
> 
> This data is gleaned from Advance Magazines
> 
> Issue 156 circa Dec 2001
> Issue 157 circa Jan 2002    
> Issue 158 circa April 2002  
> Issue 159 circa July 2002
> 
> Important note:  These issues are always a few months behind.  July 
> 2002 issue is actually reporting on completions from 2 to 3 months 
> earlier. 

Thanks Cerri - your usual great job - I actually have something I
wanted to comment on so bear with me.. > 
> 
> AOLA  stats   156 157 158 159
>      snippage...
>     
> Grade V Power  0 0 2 1
>     
> Grade VA Power  1 0 3 1
>     
> The State of Clear 12 10 8 12
>     
> The Clearing Course 2 0 0 0
>     
> Sunshine RD auditing 13 10 8 12 

Nothing much changed in the quarterly stats here - now it starts to
get a bit more intriguing 

>     
> Solo Auditor Part 1 31 16 27 37
>     
> Solo  Certainty Course 12 3 30 6 

Ok they have been maintaining a certain amount of solo auditor course
delivery 

>     
> OT Preparations  20 12 0 59

and this is very interesting - 0 OT Preps for a quarter? What that
says is that they had no auditors for this at all - what I would
suspect from this is that  a) They had some severe refund problems 3
quarters ago - I do know they have had problems with a couple of type
3s just prior to that b) during the period of no OT preps completions
the auditors and C/Ses were getting firmly beaten around the head and
retreaded - possibly a coupla RPFings? c) They have had a delivery
mission in the org for the last quarter once the auditors were gotten
back into delivery. 

>     
> Solo Auditor  Part II 38 37 21 60
>     
> OT Eligibility  33 21 34 60
>     
> R6EW   2 1 4 7
>     
> New OT 1  32 50 46 63
>     
> OT II   19 36 56 76
>     
> OT III   16 29 40 70
>     
> OT III Expanded  0 4 1 0
>     
> New OT IV  9 15 26 73
>     
> New OT V  15 18 17 50 

Hmm these are very strange stats - what it looks like is that they had
45 people or so start Solo Auditor part II and stay through OT V -
almost as if they were one group. The reason I say that is that they
have very little completions on anything else - unless you have left
some stuff out.

Without access to any info on what or where these came from I would
suspect that these were org or mission staff using up awards - it
looks very strange, I know from running an AO how hard it can be to
run people through the solo>OT 1- III, OT IV and V - it would be very
unusual indeed . In order to produce the amount of IV and V comps the
HGC in the AO would have been having to deliver around 635 WDAHs per
week - compared to their previous delivery of  220 per week. That
would take adding 10 full time NOTs auditors at once at the beginning
of the quarter.

not sure if you will ever get the chance to check on it cerri but if
you do ever get around there it would be interesting to find out what
happened.

As I said - I suspect something strange and out of the ordinary - it
doesn;t look like they were building up to it and it just doesn;t
happen that way. I know. 

>     
> Totals   260 268 335 597
> 
> The stats at AOLA are definitely up.
> 
> Now before anyone starts howling that they are all false, I have to 
> tell you that this data is obtained by a hand count of completions. 

I don;t think they are false at all - but I doubt sincerely that it is
an indicator of great public delivery. But I could be wrong .

As I said above - the figures look like a block of completions of some
kind.
 
...some snippage 

> This trend may last for another few months and the next
> Advance Mag stats may show a continued increase but I kind of doubt it. 

It doesn;t look like a trend Cerri - it looks like a demographic
"bulge" for want of a better word. 

> 
> Reports from Tory say that a recent visit to L. Ron Hubbard Way show a 
> very non active street. I think the "easy" starts were put through the 
> Scn mill and we are going to see a steady decline of OT's made. 

That would tend to back up the hypothesis that it is one group - if
that is the case it would make the HGC scheduling and auditing for Ot
IV and V much easier indeed.

If you have seen the list of comps of OT IV and V maybe there is a
clue there? 

> 
> I'll keep you posted. 

Please do!!

deo 

 From: Lulu Belle (exesso96@yahoo.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-22 03:25:40 PST 

"Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in message 
[b556547b650bcd0529a238ae0fcd9589@anonymous.poster] ...


[snip]

> What I think you may be seeing here is a "backlog" at
> the AOLA that finally got handled.  This means that there
> were quite a few Clears and OT's sitting in the LA field that could 
> easily have been gotten back onto service. 

Another thing that you may be seeing, which I've noticed from
completions lists that have been published lately on ARS from Flag and
the Advanced Orgs, is that people who were at a higher level are being
retreaded through the lower levels.

Guys who were supposedly OT III in the 80s or 90s are being audited on
NED, attesting to Clear, etc.

It sounds like part of the whole thing on "false F/Ns" also includes
"false attests." People, rightly or wrongly, are being made to do
their lower grade chart over again. 

> Reports from Tory say that a recent visit to L. Ron Hubbard Way show a 
> very non active street. I think the "easy" starts were put through the 
> Scn mill and we are going to see a steady decline of OT's made.  
> 
> I'll keep you posted. 

On some other part of this thread, someone said that they believe that
the public and staff are probably not permitted to walk around
outside. This sounds right to me. It may be a result of demonstrations
and pickets that have been done in the past. 


 
From: Cerridwen (anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-22 06:11:24 PST 

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"Deomorto" [deomorto@my-deja.com] wrote in message 
news:cde9ed89.0208212343.b31b962@posting.google.com...

> If you have seen the list of comps of OT IV and V maybe there is a
> clue there?
> 

Hi Deo,

Here is the complete list that goes with the last column of
stats.  

AOLA COMPLETIONS ISSUE 159  [circa July 2002]

HUBBARD SPECIALIST OF STANDARD TECH   [1]

Martine Gann

HUBBARD LIFE ORIENTATION COURSE   [1]

Chuck Modrich

NED CASE COMPLETION   [1]

Jackie Handlin

POWER PROCESSING   [1]

Lisa Lashaway

POWER PLUS PROCESSING   [1]

Lisa Lashaway

CLEAR     [12]

Sisel Lan
Kay Proctor
Tom Salmon
Norm Taylor
Erick Whittier
Bonnie O'Malley
Anita Van Hill
Meredith Finely
Steve Marshall
Nancy Sanders
Darrell Craig
Jay Weinstein

SUNSHINE RUNDOWN   [12]

Sisel Lan
Kay Proctor
Tom Salmon
Norm Taylor
Erick Whittier
Bonnie O'Malley
Anita Van Hill
Meredith Finely
Steve Marshall
Nancy Sanders
Darrell Craig
Jay Weinstein

SOLO I   [37]

Sara Kras
Sarah Paradise
Joe Kras
Josh Gerson
Maricela Perry
Victoria Silver
David Horwedell
John Walters
Maureen Nolan
Stuart Tuttle
Al Green
Eric Petz
Ted Prescott
Adam Daniells
Bud Hayes
Lee Anne DeVette
Edwardo Zuluaga
Amy Walker
Jennifer Watari
Mary Lynn Mancinelli
Lori Bryenton
Amber Cohen
Pat Anderson
Steve Hechtman
Anja Olsen
Tony Balecha
Marc Bosserman
David Amsalem
Gary Jordan
Vanessa Pool
Randy Pearce
Heather Toszer
Lourdes Collado
Tom Sherman
Tanya Reinhart
Amanda Winger
Roch LeFrancois

SOLO CERTAINTY    [6]

Bob Imhoff
Trish Walker
Marcie Todd
Peggy Ann Rolf
Mary Michalak
Mark Kimura

OT PREPS   [59]

Mark Isham
Casey Curry
Randy Pearce
Robin Sehy
Bob Imhoff
Sarah Paradise
Terri Castillo
Mary Tinney
Bob Pierce
Victoria Silver
Scott D'Amora
Jackie Handlin
Sara Callahan
Natalie Hagemo
Susie Pratt
Penny Nemode
Eric Brownstone
Bob O'Brien
Sara Kras
Margaret MacCarthy
John Moore
Toni Tinkleman
Monica Johnson
Stuart Tuttle
Clark Carr
Nancy Master
Mary Michalak
Debbie Hurtado
Terri Amsalem
Todd Woodruff
Peggy Ann Rolf
Jed Wolf
Joan Rae
Bob Nebeker
Chris Eastwood
Robert Hogg
Lisa Lashaway
Marc Bosserman
Sylvia Tangradi
Leah Schmiedeke
Amanda Winger
Tom Gillotte
Lindsey Bartilson
Leah Remini
Erin Holt
Paul Mullinger
Kathy Korb
Steve Hechtman
Mark Speros
Laura Silvestro
Mark Drake
Robert Moore
Sarah Baxter
Neal Fox
Karen Todd
Frank Suarez
Blue Monroe
Don Thompson
Blanca Hammett

SOLO COURSE PART II   [60]

Dave McKevitt
Shiela Jindela
Tina Nowlin
Paul O'Malley
David LaRose
Vicki Atlasman
Sarah Paradise
Daniel LeRiche
Josh Fair
Jay Weinstein
Bonnie O'Malley
Casey Curry
Maricela Perry
Bob Pierce 
Natalie Hagemo
Lee Rogers
Maureen Nolan
John Walters
Victoria Silver
Sara Callahan
Linda Rickey
Sara Kras
Renee McKinstry
Adva Avni
Susie Pratt
Ted Prescott
Stuart Tuttle
Jane Millan
Todd Woodruff
Margaret MacCarthy
Lee Anne DeVette
Eric Petz
Lori Bryenton
David Horwedell
Peggy Ann Rolf
Mary Lyn Mancinelli
Herb Talbutt
Bob Imhoff
Kim Marino
Steve Hechtman
Chris Eastwood
Mary Michalak
Mark Isham
Marc Bosserman
Tony Balecha
Leah Remini
Elizabeth McCollum
Matt Prados
Sylvia Tangradi
Mark Kimura
Lisa Lashaway
Lourdes Collado
Terry Stackwood
Betsy Suvak
David Amsalem
Erin Holt
Karen Todd
Amanda Winger
Gary Jordan
Mark Speros

OT ELIGIBILITY   [60]

Jane Santangelo
Debbie Edwards
John Conforti
RG Kanning
Neil Briggs
Nathan Herrell
Dave McKevitt
Alan Weidlich
Vicki Atlasman
Bill Hoffman
David LaRose
Shiela Jindela
Sarah Paradise
Tina Nowlin
Tina McGurk
Tim Edwards
Jackie Handlin
Darrell Bischoff
Case Curry
Keith Clark
Bob Pierce 
Pat Brandt
Maricela Perry
Debbie Bredeweg
Victoria Silver
Sara Callahan
Rebecca Cusano
Steve Marshall
Stuart Tuttle
Trish Walker
Shauna Pratt
Lee Rogers
Clay McBride
Ted Prescott
Sara Kras
Jan Millan
Susie Pratt
Lee Ann DeVette
Margaret MacCarthy
Eric Petz
Peggy Ann Rolf
Kim Marino
Grace Ting
Bob Imhoff
Chris Eastwood
Marya Berke
Mary Michalak
Sherry Dewane
Sanjeev Naikawadi
Tony Balecha
Elizabeth McCollum 
Lynn Oakes
Sylvia Tangradi
Dan Valcek
Mark Kimura
Betsy Suvak 
Karen Todd
Mark Isham
Erin Holt
Leah Remini

R6EW     [7]

Eric Whittier
Anita Van Hill
Adva Avni 
Darrell Craig
Jay Weinstein
Bonnie O'Malley
Clay McBride

OT 1   [63}

Adriana Zuluaga Perez
Ron Hatteberg
William Wesch
Derry MacMahon
Eric Salmon
Dee Barber
Steve Nye
Rudi C. Loehwing
Angie Beghe
Lisa Benest
Virgina Lindstrom
Rick Murken
John Conforti
Dave McKevitt
Nate Herrell
Neil Briggs
Dana Haigney
Gene Snead
Paul O'Malley
Jane Santangelo
Bill Hoffman
Sarah Paradise
RG Kanning
Shiela Jindela
Kay Proctor
Danny Del Bono
Tina Nowlin
Maricela Perry
Vicki Atlasman
Jane Hunter
Rebecca Cusano
David LaRose
Tom Salmon
Daniel LeRiche
Casey Curry
Pat Brandt
Franco Bernardi
Bob Pierce 
Keith Clark
Ted Prescott
Stuart Tuttle
Sara Callahan
Victoria Silver
Tim Edwards
Linda Rickey
Trish Walker
John Walkers
Lori Bryenton
Sara Kras
Eric Whittier
Norma Taylor
Susie Pratt
Dee Scott
Kim Marino
Margaret MacCarthy
Meredith Finely
Steve Boyd
Bonnie O'Malley
Steve Hechtman
Peggy Ann Rolf
Steve Marshall
Mary Lynn Mancinelli
Eric Petz

OT II     [76]

Darren Bloch
M Juge 
Rick Dawson
Stan Bartilson
Don Meuse
Ron Salat
Mike Carlson
Anna Terrian
Robi Selmier
Cass Darmody
Bill Hamel
Christin Edwards
Greg Taylor
Dawn Darling 
Derry MacMahon
Lorraine Feather
Jason Dohring
Adriana Zuluaga Perez
Jodie Bohte
William Wesch
Eric Salmon
Brenda Butler
Dawn Chaban
Klaus Hilgers 
Ron Hatteberg 
Karen Reed
Christopher Smith
Ray Edwards
Eduardo Garcia
Diane Peloquin
Tracee Nichols
Gene Snead
Steve Nye
Carol Espinoza
John Conforti
Dave McKevitt
Nate Herrell
Paige Long
Rudi C. Loehwing
Vicki Shantz
Neil Briggs
Virginia Lindstrom
Jill Wilner
Gene Snead
Lisa Benest
Sally Leufven
Paul O‘Malley
Shiela Jindela
Rick Murken
Sarah Paradise
Larry Apers
Danny Del Bono
Jane Santangelo
Bill Hoffman
Angie Beghe
Tom Salmon
Maricela Perry
Kay Proctor
Rebecca Cusano
Tina Nowlin
RG Kanning
Bob Pierce 
Casey Curry
Rod Daniells
Vicki Atlasman
Pat Brant
Dana Haigney
Lori Bryenton
Stuart Tuttle
Dee Barber
Jan Hunter
Ted Prescott
Keith Clark
Victoria Silver
Eric Whitter
Linda Rickey

OT III  [70]

Eva Moxon
Denise Stickles
Craig Beutler
Dwight Benesh
Collette Williams
Tyler Fisk
Kyle Mahler
Marsi Olson
Kirk Rogers
Tess Grazier
Richard Zudis
Beverly Mitchell
Pat Mara
Derik Johnson
Nancy Olson
Kat Brady
Irene Minken
Stan Gabelein
Bryn Wesch
Louise Alepins
Anna Roberts
Lee Jordan
Mike Carlson
Richard Dawson
Bobby Wiggins
Kate Davis
Derry MacMahon
Ron Salat
Carol Crest
Joe Dolce
Robin Selmier
Alan Eames
Adam Walker
Don Meuse
Robert Cruz
Neil Green
Lee Borth
Frances Santos
Lorraine Feather
Adriana Zuluaga Perez
William Wesch
Donna Byrd
Dylan Code
Annette McCullough
Jan Santangelo
Virginia Lindstrom
Rita Pollock
Steve Nye
Ray Edwards
Brian Coyle
William Hamel
Dave McKevitt
Tom Salmon
Lisa Benest
Nate Herrell
John Conforti
Greg Taylor
Gene Snead
Danny Del Bono
Darren Bloch
Bill Hoffman
Sarah Paradise
Shiela Jindela
Ron Hatteberg
Jason Dohring
LaVonna Bledsoe
Rebecca Cusano
Paul O'Malley
Tina Nowlin
Jill Wilner

OT IV  [73]

Richard Dixon
Tracie Jerling
Pat Yau
Craig Beutler
Trish Bass
Larry Monroe
Michael Duff
Joe Francis
Melinda Brownstone
Harry Werner
Beverly Mitchell
Dawn Armondo
Kyle Mahler
Todd Lucht
Marsi Olson
Marisol Nichols
Cartney Wearn
Tony Louw
Collette Williams
Danny Chadwell
Darrell Bischoff
Irene Minken
Alan Weidlich
Stan Gabelein
Paul Maselli
Linda Harrison
Nancy Olson
Steve Carlson
Sharon Sovinski
Denise Stickles
Kirk Rogers
Kat Brady
Joni Bosserman
Debbie Gluck
Bryn Wesch
Mike Reitman
Richard Dawson
Robin Selmeir
Derry MacMahon
Don Meuse
Ron Salat
Mike Carlson
Lee Jordan
Bobby Wiggins
Robert Cruz
Kate Davis
Lorraine Feather
William Wesch
Jenny Good
Jose Sandoval
Adriana Zuluaga Perez
Edith Reuveni
Virginia Lindstrom
Annette McCullough
John Seuer
Joe Dolce
Grace Ting
Bill McCaffrey
Dave McKevitt
Tom Salmon
Steve Nye
Frances Santos
Cathy Whitmore
Ray Edwards
John Conforti
Greg Taylor
Danny Del Bono
Bill Hoffman
Jane Santangelo
Ron Hatteberg
Nate Herrell
Sarah Paradise
Shiela Jindela

OT V   [50]

Robert Worlock
Alan Nikitan
Nola Aronson
Stephanie Cary
Jan Foote
Norma La Rocca
Morgan Mariani
Sharon Fry
Mike Bredeweg
Jenna Elfman
Linda La Rose
Pam McKinnis
Paul Renton
Cynthia Dolce
Steve Johnson
Kevin Rush
Annie Palmer
Anne Archer
Debbie Edwards
Pat Yau
Jackie Handlin
Steve Spacher
Georgia Clark
Michael Duff
Tina McGurk
Joe Francis
Connie Black
Kyle Mahler
Debbie Bredeweg
Tracie Jerling
Alan Weidlich
Craig Beutler
Marsi Olson
Bryn Wesch
Steve Di Paoli
Derry MacMahon
Ron Salat
Hedy Oliver
Susan Lewis
Kate Davis
Don Meuse
Steve Carlson
Mike Carlson
Brian Luckman
Moira Dolan
Jim Jerling
William Wesch
Annette McCullough
Darrell Bischoff
Virginia Lindstrom

OT DOCTORATE COURSE     [5]

Cherie Connor
Shahab Emrani
Georgia Clark
Marti Marshall
Dave Tourje

EXTERIORIZATION AND THE PHENOMENA OF SPACE CRS [2]

Jeff Sriver
Sherry Dewane

From: Kristi Wachter (humanrights@racerrecords.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-22 22:28:12 PST 

Many thanks for the latest stats, Cerridwen!

I have added them to my Scientology Statistics project 
( http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/advancestats.html ). 
I'll update the analysis once I've got a bit more data.

So Mark Isham is getting ready to go OT? I figured he was well into the OT 
levels by now.

Appreciatively,


Kristi


--
Kristi Wachter
the activist formerly known as "Jour" (before $cientology outed me)

If I am not who you say I am, then you are not who you think you are.
  - James Baldwin

I think $cientology is hurting people and breaking the law, and I
want them to stop it. See http://www.scientology-lies.com for more.

   KSW: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/alteringtech.htm 


 From: ladayla (ladayla_member@newsguy.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-24 11:35:37 PST 
In article [3d65c7e8@news2.lightlink.com], Kristi says... >
>Many thanks for the latest stats, Cerridwen!
>
>I have added them to my Scientology Statistics project 
>( http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/advancestats.html ). 
>I'll update the analysis once I've got a bit more data.
>
>So Mark Isham is getting ready to go OT? I figured he was well into the OT 
>levels by now.
>Appreciatively, 

There's something screwy about the completion lists. I've been seeing Nancy
Olsen's name on completion lists since the early '80s. She's completed
everything on the 'bridge' several times, including the OT levels. Clay McBride
was OT7  in the 80's and they've got him down as an R6EW  completion. (R6EW is
Grade 6, a level before Clear). Either they are trying to drive people away by
out-tech, or they are trying to kill them. Maybe they are re-researching
psychosis, and need to drive some people crazy.

la 


 
From: Lulu Belle (exesso96@yahoo.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-25 03:50:09 PST 

ladayla [ladayla_member@newsguy.com] wrote in message 
[ak8hto0s3o@drn.newsguy.com] ... > In article [3d65c7e8@news2.lightlink.com], Kristi says... 

> >
> >Many thanks for the latest stats, Cerridwen!
> >
> >I have added them to my Scientology Statistics project 
> >( http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/advancestats.html ). 
> >I'll update the analysis once I've got a bit more data.
> >
> >So Mark Isham is getting ready to go OT? I figured he was well into the OT 
> >levels by now.
> >Appreciatively, 
> 
> There's something screwy about the completion lists. I've been seeing Nancy
> Olsen's name on completion lists since the early '80s. She's completed
> everything on the 'bridge' several times, including the OT levels. 

I've mentioned this a couple of times, too.

I think it's been decided that a lot of people who did their OT Levels
didn't actually attain their lower levels to begin with. So they are
being sent back to their lower grades and made to redo them.

For the most part, I'm sure it's that people were allowed to do their
OT Levels when they weren't actually Clear. When you consider the
Dianetic Clear craze of the 70s where people were attesting to Clear
all over the place, including saying they were a "natural Clear," it's
not too surprising this would happen later on down the road. 

> Clay McBride was OT7  in the 80's and they've got him down as an R6EW
> completion. (R6EW is Grade 6, a level before Clear). Either they are trying to 
> drive people away by out-tech, or they are trying to kill them. Maybe they are 
> re-researching psychosis, and need to drive some people crazy.
> 
> la 

R6EW is part of the alternate Clear route, which is for people who
didn't go Clear on Dianetics. I guess it was decided that he actually
wasn't Clear and has to go Clear this way. 

 
From: Deomorto (deomorto@my-deja.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-24 09:08:32 PST 
"Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in message 
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> "Deomorto" [deomorto@my-deja.com] wrote in message 
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> 
> > If you have seen the list of comps of OT IV and V maybe there is a
> > clue there?
> > 
> 
> Hi Deo,
> 
> Here is the complete list that goes with the last column of
> stats. 

Sheesh Cerri you need to be careful, the int data Bureau is going to
be looking to recruit you!  Thank you for additional data!

And - thank you for the compliments in the other posting,  you made me
blush! (and as anyone who knows me can tell you - that is no mean
feat).

Interesting list of names - going back to lulu's comments on the
Unscramble eval - if that was what was being done then there should
have been no OT Preps for the latest quarter of stats - but, instead,
there were 59 of them.

your comments about the promotion of how quickly one can get through
the OT levels is pretty interesting - every time something like this
is done it results in a total fiasco. It is also going to fuck up the
income because people will not use up their APR's, so I guess that
will result in large amounts of "booksales" as the regges etc get them
to debit their accounts. That will please DM and Norman - ASI will get
bags of moolah out of that.

Still they will be able to reg all these people again to "clean up the
cases.." that's always a money maker...

I was surprised to see Anne Archer and Jenna Elfman on the OT V comps
- I would have figured they would have completed that long ago. Hmm it
sounds like there has been some pressure applied to CC Int..

If you - or anyone else - gets a chance maybe searching through the
comps lists for CC Int will show how many of these names come from
there.

as ever cerri - thank you for taking the time to make this an
interesting newsgroup!

deo 

From: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-12-27 10:09:28 PST 

On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:04:43 -0400, "Cerridwen"
[anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in
[77437396b107c106e5b1316cca653f62@anonymous.poster]: 

>AOLA COMPLETIONS ISSUE 159  [circa July 2002] 

From which magazine is this? Is it from ADVANCE or does AOLA have its
magazine with the same name? 

-- 
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From: Cerridwen (Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-12-27 14:10:10 PST 

"Tilman Hausherr" [tilman@berlin.snafu.de] wrote in message 
hp5p0vssf8lqie3jhf2d3c48dccaom5gts@4ax.com ... 

> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:04:43 -0400, "Cerridwen"
> [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in
> [77437396b107c106e5b1316cca653f62@anonymous.poster]:
> 
> >AOLA COMPLETIONS ISSUE 159  [circa July 2002] 
> 
> From which magazine is this? Is it from ADVANCE or does AOLA have its
> magazine with the same name? 

Sorry about that.  Yes, Advance Magazine is the mag for AOLA.  

Advance is also the name of the magazine for AOUK.   I try to post 
which org (AOLA or AOUK) when I post the data and I'll be sure to 
include the Magazine name. 

-- 
Cerridwen

"Informing people doesn't involve trying to silence those who
disagree with you."  --Prignillius 
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats.htm 

From: Lulu Belle (exesso96@yahoo.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-12-28 08:39:53 PST 

Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Cerridwen) wrote in message 
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> "Tilman Hausherr" [tilman@berlin.snafu.de] wrote in message 
> news:hp5p0vssf8lqie3jhf2d3c48dccaom5gts@4ax.com ... 
> > On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:04:43 -0400, "Cerridwen"
> > [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in
> > [77437396b107c106e5b1316cca653f62@anonymous.poster]:
> > > > >AOLA COMPLETIONS ISSUE 159  [circa July 2002] > > 
> > From which magazine is this? Is it from ADVANCE or does AOLA have its
> > magazine with the same name? > 
> 
> Sorry about that.  Yes, Advance Magazine is the mag for AOLA.  
> 
> Advance is also the name of the magazine for AOUK.   I try to post 
> which org (AOLA or AOUK) when I post the data and I'll be sure to 
> include the Magazine name. 

It's more than the same name. It's the same magazine.

Advance is written and designed at management level. There are
modifications made for each of the AOs (AOLA, AOSH EU, AOSH UK, AOSH
ANZO). This includes completions lists, personalized articles or
stories for that AO, etc. However, the basic magazines (religious
history article, cover art, ads, success stories, etc) is identical
for all of the AOs. 

From: Cerridwen (Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-12-28 09:28:04 PST 

"Lulu Belle" [exesso96@yahoo.com] wrote in message 
news:7db3d0ad.0212280839.45db99c5@posting.google.com ... 

> > 
> > Advance is also the name of the magazine for AOUK.   I try to post 
> > which org (AOLA or AOUK) when I post the data and I'll be sure to 
> > include the Magazine name. 
> 
> 
> 
> It's more than the same name. It's the same magazine.
> 
> Advance is written and designed at management level. There are
> modifications made for each of the AOs (AOLA, AOSH EU, AOSH UK, AOSH
> ANZO). This includes completions lists, personalized articles or
> stories for that AO, etc. However, the basic magazines (religious
> history article, cover art, ads, success stories, etc) is identical
> for all of the AOs. Yes.  You are correct about this.

The funny thing is that as I sit here and look over Advance Issue 160 
from both AOLA and AO UK,  I noticed that the AOLA Issue has 30 Pages 
but the AOUK Issue only has 22 pages.

However the person who did the *CONTENTS* page wasn't paying attention 
and they use the same *CONTENTS*  For both issues.

On the AO UK Contents page they list

Departments-- 

24  OT Phenomena
28  Completions
30  Information

This is the same data for the AOLA Contents page but in the AOUK Mag 
there are no pages 24 to 30.

The C of S does the exact same thing for the Class V org Mags.

All the Magazine are exactly alike.  The only difference is the Name of 
the Mag, and the Completions lists.  The org news is usually the same 
as well but not always.  Some times they actually post local news 
rather than the generic stuff. 

-- 
Cerridwen

"Informing people doesn't involve trying to silence those who
disagree with you."  --Prignillius 
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats.htm 


From: Lulu Belle (exesso96@yahoo.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-12-28 16:06:00 PST 

Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Cerridwen) wrote in message 
[XGJJ0OIU37618.4776851852@anonymous.poster] ... 

> "Lulu Belle" [exesso96@yahoo.com] wrote in message 
> news:7db3d0ad.0212280839.45db99c5@posting.google.com ...
> 
> 
> > > 
> > > Advance is also the name of the magazine for AOUK.   I try to post 
> > > which org (AOLA or AOUK) when I post the data and I'll be sure to 
> > > include the Magazine name. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's more than the same name. It's the same magazine.
> > 
> > Advance is written and designed at management level. There are
> > modifications made for each of the AOs (AOLA, AOSH EU, AOSH UK, AOSH
> > ANZO). This includes completions lists, personalized articles or
> > stories for that AO, etc. However, the basic magazines (religious
> > history article, cover art, ads, success stories, etc) is identical
> > for all of the AOs. 
> 
> Yes.  You are correct about this.
> 
> The funny thing is that as I sit here and look over Advance Issue 160 
> from both AOLA and AO UK,  I noticed that the AOLA Issue has 30 Pages 
> but the AOUK Issue only has 22 pages.
> 
> However the person who did the *CONTENTS* page wasn't paying attention 
> and they use the same *CONTENTS*  For both issues.
> 
> On the AO UK Contents page they list
> 
> Departments-- 
> 
> 24  OT Phenomena
> 28  Completions
> 30  Information
> 
> This is the same data for the AOLA Contents page but in the AOUK Mag 
> there are no pages 24 to 30. Cerri, I'm sure - I'm POSITIVE - this was a mistake.

It sounds like part of the magazine either didn't get printed or was
printed but didn't get bound into the book with the rest.

Believe me, there is NO WAY management would have allowed UK to leave
out part of the mag.

My guess is it was a production screw up of some kind. And, believe
me, when it comes to a major screw up of a mag, I would also guess
that someone is doing some Building Improvements in basic black as a
result. 


From: roger gonnet (gonnet@antisectes.net )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-12-28 08:28:07 PST 

"Tilman Hausherr" [tilman@berlin.snafu.de] a ˇcrit dans le message de
nhp5p0vssf8lqie3jhf2d3c48dccaom5gts@4ax.com... 

> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:04:43 -0400, "Cerridwen"
> [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in
> [77437396b107c106e5b1316cca653f62@anonymous.poster]:
> > >AOLA COMPLETIONS ISSUE 159  [circa July 2002] 
>
> From which magazine is this? Is it from ADVANCE or does AOLA have its
> magazine with the same name? 

different Advance mags  are issued in every Saint Hills; so, on has : SH
UK, SH EU, SH LA, SH ANZO - I suppose that Flag is not considered a SH.


roger 


From: Cerridwen (anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-22 07:27:25 PST 

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> "Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in message 
[b556547b650bcd0529a238ae0fcd9589@anonymous.poster] ... 

> > This data is gleaned from Advance Magazines
> >
> > Issue 156 circa Dec 2001
> > Issue 157 circa Jan 2002
> > Issue 158 circa April 2002
> > Issue 159 circa July 2002
> >
> > Important note:  These issues are always a few months behind.  July
> > 2002 issue is actually reporting on completions from 2 to 3 months
> > earlier. 
>
> Thanks Cerri - your usual great job - I actually have something I
> wanted to comment on so bear with me.. 

Absolutely.  I love getting other opinions on these things, especially 
from you ;-) 

> >
> >
> > AOLA  stats 156 157 158 159
> > snippage...
> >
> > Grade V Power 0 0 2 1
> >
> > Grade VA Power 1 0 3 1
> >
> > The State of Clear 12 10 8 12
> >
> > The Clearing Course 2 0 0 0
> >
> > Sunshine RD auditing 13 10 8 12 
>
> Nothing much changed in the quarterly stats here - now it starts to
> get a bit more intriguing.

Right, Plus 12 Clears made is not a lot of hope for the future stats.

>
> >
> > Solo Auditor Part 1 31 16 27 37
> >
> > Solo  Certainty Course 12 3 30 6
>
> Ok they have been maintaining a certain amount of solo auditor course
> delivery
>
> >
> > OT Preparations 20 12 0 59
>
> and this is very interesting - 0 OT Preps for a quarter?

Yes, I went back to that Issue and re confirmed it.  Very
strange.

 What that
> says is that they had no auditors for this at all - what I would
> suspect from this is that  a) They had some severe refund problems 3
> quarters ago - I do know they have had problems with a couple of type
> 3s just prior to that b) during the period of no OT preps completions
> the auditors and C/Ses were getting firmly beaten around the head and
> retreaded - possibly a coupla RPFings? c) They have had a delivery
> mission in the org for the last quarter once the auditors were gotten
> back into delivery.

Yes OR another possibility is that somehow they allowed most of the OT
preps to be done at ASHO.  I know that sounds weird but I noticed in 
recent Promo that they are showing pictures of the AOLA/ASHO tech 
delivery team. Of course I got a bazillion copies of that promo but now 
I can't find a single piece of it.

Kind of weird to be combining orgs like that.  I wonder if they are 
just so short of auditors that AOLA had to use ASHO for OT Preps.

> >
> > Solo Auditor  Part II 38 37 21 60
> >
> > OT Eligibility 33 21 34 60
> >
> > R6EW 2 1 4 7
> >
> > New OT 1 32 50 46 63
> >
> > OT II 19 36 56 76
> >
> > OT III 16 29 40 70
> >
> > OT III Expanded 0 4 1 0
> >
> > New OT IV 9 15 26 73
> >
> > New OT V 15 18 17 50
>
>
> Hmm these are very strange stats - what it looks like is that they had
> 45 people or so start Solo Auditor part II and stay through OT V -
> almost as if they were one group. The reason I say that is that they
> have very little completions on anything else - unless you have left
> some stuff out.

No these are complete lists from AOLA/Advance Magazine.

As you know AOLA only delivers these services (OT Levels)
and not much more.

>
> Without access to any info on what or where these came from I would
> suspect that these were org or mission staff using up awards - it
> looks very strange, I know from running an AO how hard it can be to
> run people through the solo>OT 1- III, OT IV and V - it would be very
> unusual indeed . In order to produce the amount of IV and V comps the
> HGC in the AO would have been having to deliver around 635 WDAHs per
> week - compared to their previous delivery of  220 per week. That
> would take adding 10 full time NOTs auditors at once at the beginning
> of the quarter.

OK Here is some more data.  The C of S is now absolutely bragging
about how fast you can get through the OT Levels.  They are on the 
verge of violating that Tech Degrades PL    LOL!

Here is a quote from Int Scn News Issue 21 from the 2002 (June) Maiden
Voyage Anniversary Event

~start quote~

It was on last year's Maiden Voyage that Mr. Miscavige announced what he
called the most important  program since the Golden Age of Tech:
"arbitraries removed"

[Note: Arbitraries removed is a DM invention issued as an RTC policy.

" Its entire purpose was to radically speed progress up The Bridge."  he
said,  "And the program to accomplish that was summed up in just four 
words: DO THE GRADE CHART!!"

" But let there be no mistake, the objective wasn't  just  'faster 
progress.' No, it was to get people up to and through OT"  

And the statistics Mr. Miscavige presented demonstrated the stunning 
results of this program. 

Note:  Just like LRH, DM is always promoting what a god damn
genius he is and I will tell you something else you probably already 
know.  Having CI (counter intention) to ANYTHING DM wants done could 
possibly get you declared an SP.  Minimumly you will be sec checked.  
I've seen it]

Clears preparing to move onto the OT levels used to require an average 
of 145 hours of OT Preps and Eligibility for OT auditing.  Now Clears 
are taking an average of just 35 hours, from the point they get to the 
AO through to starting New OT 1.

Where there used to be 35 requests a month for Eligibility approval 
from RTC to go onto the OT levels, this figure has now increased to 450 
per month!

"Then there is the average time to move from Clear to New OT V.  It 
used to be fifteen months; today the average time is FIVE months.  So 
it's now three times faster to move up these levels.

~end quote~

The above is just one example of what is going on with promoting 
the "speed" in which you can get through your OT levels.  Entire 
brochures are coming in the mail promoting how fast it is to get
From Clear to OT V.

>
> not sure if you will ever get the chance to check on it cerri but if
> you do ever get around there it would be interesting to find out what
> happened.
>
> As I said - I suspect something strange and out of the ordinary - it
> doesn;t look like they were building up to it and it just doesn;t
> happen that way. I know.

Strange and out of the ordinary is always a possibility with these
guys ;-)

>
> >
> > Totals 260 268 335 597
> >
> > The stats at AOLA are definitely up.
> >
> > Now before anyone starts howling that they are all false, I have to
> > tell you that this data is obtained by a hand count of completions.
>
> I don;t think they are false at all - but I doubt sincerely that it is
> an indicator of great public delivery. But I could be wrong .
>
> As I said above - the figures look like a block of completions of some
> kind.
>
> ...some snippage
> > This trend may last for another few months and the next
> > Advance Mag stats may show a continued increase but I kind of doubt  it.
>
> It doesn;t look like a trend Cerri - it looks like a demographic
> "bulge" for want of a better word.

Yes, I think the bulge may be the OT Ambassadors doing a very serious 
PUSH to get those people who are already Clear  and Fully Paid at AOLA, 
all rounded up and put on course.  I could be wrong on this as well.  I 
am just taking bits of data from here and there and trying to piece the 
puzzle together.

The OT Ambassadors were given "orders" to get people on to the OT 
levels.

They were not ordered to get New People IN.  Butinstead, to get people 
onto the OT levels.  I think DM needed a good showing of stats.  Stats 
in Class V orgs suck.  He needed OT's being made and fast.  There were 
a bunch of Clears (and there are many more) just sitting in the LA 
field and a concerted effort was made to round them up and get
them on service.  I don't think they can keep up this stat push.  
Eventually they will run out of Clears that want to do any more 
services and by the stats, they certainty are not making more
Clears in any kind of quantity for a future "flow"

The "bulge" is interesting.  I don't honestly think it is the beginning 
of an "OT ERA" LOL!!

But, the C of S and DM are soaking it for all it's worth to prove that 
DM is some kind of fucking genius and knows how to get the stats up.

No matter how stupid and blinded or indoc'd Scientologists can be, they 
call can read a graph. They can see the orgs are dying.  If you look at 
what is being promoted it is the number OT's being made due to DM's 
brilliance and that Orgs are now started to go St. Hill size.    Of 
course, these orgs are in places like Hungary, or Venezuela
where no Internet exists.

Additionally these orgs do not have the same fee scale that the American
orgs have.

Two of the orgs that went St. Hill size this past year were both in 
Mexico City.

My understanding is that a 12.5 intensive at the Mexico org is around
$1000.00

That is very cheap based on US standards.  Mexico had many Spanish 
speaking NON Mexican's doing services based on that price.  And of 
course it's even cheaper if you buy intensives in large packages.

I have no idea what the prices are in Hungary or St. Petersburg, 
Russia, but I seriously doubt they are on par with US prices.  I have 
no idea how these people are going to afford FLAG prices.
>
> >
> > I'll keep you posted.
>
> Please do!!

Of course, you are one of my very favorite critics and as always, it's 
been a pleasure.

Cerri


From: Lulu Belle (exesso96@yahoo.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-22 18:41:44 PST 

"Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in message

[snip] 

> > > OT Preparations 20 12 0 59 
> >
> > and this is very interesting - 0 OT Preps for a quarter? 
> 
> 
> Yes, I went back to that Issue and re confirmed it.  Very
> strange.
> 
> 
>  What that 
> > says is that they had no auditors for this at all - what I would
> > suspect from this is that  a) They had some severe refund problems 3
> > quarters ago - I do know they have had problems with a couple of type
> > 3s just prior to that b) during the period of no OT preps completions
> > the auditors and C/Ses were getting firmly beaten around the head and
> > retreaded - possibly a coupla RPFings? c) They have had a delivery
> > mission in the org for the last quarter once the auditors were gotten
> > back into delivery. 
> 
> Yes OR another possibility is that somehow they allowed most of the OT
> preps to be done at ASHO.  I know that sounds weird but I noticed in 
> recent Promo that they are showing pictures of the AOLA/ASHO tech 
> delivery team. Of course I got a bazillion copies of that promo but now 
> I can't find a single piece of it.
> 
> Kind of weird to be combining orgs like that.  I wonder if they are 
> just so short of auditors that AOLA had to use ASHO for OT Preps. No.

It's the PAC Unscramble Eval.

There's an LRH Policy called "Prices, Upper Orgs." Per this policy,
any higher org can offer any service a lower org can offer, providing
they charge more for it. I believe the minimum amount additional they
have to charge over the lower org's rates is 10%.

PAC was originally designed, or conceptualized, to be a place where a
public person would move from one org to the other as he progressed up
the Bridge. He'd start at LA Day, move into ASHO, then into AOLA.

In the old days, before Dianetic Clear, the org progression thing
pretty much existed. The person would do his academy levels and lower
grades at a Class IV org (LA Org). The person had to finish the
Briefing Course (ASHO) before he could do Power (at AOLA), then the
Clearing Course (at AOLA), then Solo and his OT Levels.

Dianetic Clear pretty much changed all that. A person could go clear
without having any training at all. Without going through all of the
details of the history, Solo became something that was offered at all
three orgs. The DCSI (later becoming the CCRD) was offered at all
three orgs. OT Preps and Elig were available at both ASHO and AO. You
didn't have to do the BC to do the Clearing Course, so you didn't have
to go to ASHO at all if you had the bucks to do your Preps at AO. You
could do your whole bridge at AO, from the Purif through OT V, if you
wanted to.

The original "vision" of the PAC Bridge became three entities (five,
if you consider the Day and Foundation orgs of LA Org and ASHO as
separate orgs) which operated totally independently and competed with
each other for the same public for the same services.

My time track and history on this may not be too accurate, but I
believe the basic information is correct.

There was an LRH eval that came out (late seventies? I'm not sure
when) where the purpose was to "unscramble" the PAC bridge by forcing
orgs to "concentrate on their specialized services."

One of the biggest issues that existed was the competition of AOLA and
ASHO regarding OT Preps delivery.

ASHO is supposed to be, in theory, the "official" OT Preps org. In
reality, though, it has generally been a service that most people do
at AOLA.

Several reasons: AOLA has more money and has generally had more and
better auditors, both SO and non-SO. Preps is often part of an "OT
Package" at AO. This means that if you buy your OT Levels, you could
get your preps at a discount. (Theoretically, you could still do them
at ASHO, but most people didn't.) Third, there was an idea that was
promoted, overtly or covertly by the AO, that if you did your preps
there they would be shorter than they would be at ASHO, because AO had
more of a vested interest in moving you onto your OT Levels than ASHO
did. (It would be more in ASHO's interest to keep you forever, since
by completing you, they'd lose you.)

The subject of preps delivery was a very hot subject in PAC.
Regardless of the theory that an org "booms through training,"
factually, the vast majority of org income comes from HGC delivery. OT
Preps is/was probably the biggest moneymaker in both AO and ASHO. Not
to mention the other org stats that it has a huge effect on like:
Value of Services Delivered, Well Done Auditing Hours, Paid
Completions. It's factually, one of the biggest, if not the biggest,
stat maker in an SO Org.

There have been forcible handlings that have occurred over the years
to eliminate the competition between AO and ASHO on this subject. The
"PAC Unscramble" thing had a lot of attention of Int managment in
recent years.

Whatever the AO/ASHO Prep thing that Cerri mentioned was that she got
in the promo piece, and the weird preps stats from AO are, I'm sure
it's a result of one of these PAC "handlings" to "unscramble the PAC
Bridge."

From: Cerridwen (anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-22 15:43:22 PST 

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> "Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in message 
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> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > > What I think you may be seeing here is a "backlog" at
> > the AOLA that finally got handled.  This means that there
> > were quite a few Clears and OT's sitting in the LA field that could 
> > easily have been gotten back onto service. > 
> 
> Another thing that you may be seeing, which I've noticed from
> completions lists that have been published lately on ARS from Flag and
> the Advanced Orgs, is that people who were at a higher level are being
> retreaded through the lower levels.
> 
> Guys who were supposedly OT III in the 80s or 90s are being audited on
> NED, attesting to Clear, etc. Yes I have seen the exact same thing. > 
> It sounds like part of the whole thing on "false F/Ns" also includes
> "false attests." People, rightly or wrongly, are being made to do
> their lower grade chart over again. Yup. > 
> 
> 
> On some other part of this thread, someone said that they believe that
> the public and staff are probably not permitted to walk around
> outside. This sounds right to me. It may be a result of demonstrations
> and pickets that have been done in the past. 

Yes I was thinking the exact same thing myself.  They may not want 
people outdoors being exposed to picketeers for a couple of reason.

One reason is that they want to be shown as being terrorized in general 
by picketeers, in keeping with the Keith Henson terrorist picketer 
theme.

The other is that they don't want their guys seeing Tory or other Ex's 
and actually talking to them because they truly are in terror that 
someone may hear the truth. 

-- 
Cerridwen


Lurking Scientologists start here: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats.htm 


From: Cerridwen (anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org )
Subject: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-23 09:06:32 PST 

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"Lulu Belle" [exesso96@yahoo.com] wrote in message 
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> "Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in message 
>
> No.
>
> It's the PAC Unscramble Eval.
>
> There's an LRH Policy called "Prices, Upper Orgs." Per this policy,
> any higher org can offer any service a lower org can offer, providing
> they charge more for it. I believe the minimum amount additional they
> have to charge over the lower org's rates is 10%.
>
> PAC was originally designed, or conceptualized, to be a place where a
> public person would move from one org to the other as he progressed up
> the Bridge. He'd start at LA Day, move into ASHO, then into AOLA.
>
> In the old days, before Dianetic Clear, the org progression thing
> pretty much existed. The person would do his academy levels and lower
> grades at a Class IV org (LA Org). The person had to finish the
> Briefing Course (ASHO) before he could do Power (at AOLA), then the
> Clearing Course (at AOLA), then Solo and his OT Levels.
>
> Dianetic Clear pretty much changed all that. A person could go clear
> without having any training at all. Without going through all of the
> details of the history, Solo became something that was offered at all
> three orgs. The DCSI (later becoming the CCRD) was offered at all
> three orgs. OT Preps and Elig were available at both ASHO and AO. You
> didn't have to do the BC to do the Clearing Course, so you didn't have
> to go to ASHO at all if you had the bucks to do your Preps at AO. You
> could do your whole bridge at AO, from the Purif through OT V, if you
> wanted to.
>
> The original "vision" of the PAC Bridge became three entities (five,
> if you consider the Day and Foundation orgs of LA Org and ASHO as
> separate orgs) which operated totally independently and competed with
> each other for the same public for the same services.
>
> My time track and history on this may not be too accurate, but I
> believe the basic information is correct.
>
> There was an LRH eval that came out (late seventies? I'm not sure
> when) where the purpose was to "unscramble" the PAC bridge by forcing
> orgs to "concentrate on their specialized services."
>
> One of the biggest issues that existed was the competition of AOLA and
> ASHO regarding OT Preps delivery.
>
> ASHO is supposed to be, in theory, the "official" OT Preps org. In
> reality, though, it has generally been a service that most people do
> at AOLA.
>
> Several reasons: AOLA has more money and has generally had more and
> better auditors, both SO and non-SO. Preps is often part of an "OT
> Package" at AO. This means that if you buy your OT Levels, you could
> get your preps at a discount. (Theoretically, you could still do them
> at ASHO, but most people didn't.) Third, there was an idea that was
> promoted, overtly or covertly by the AO, that if you did your preps
> there they would be shorter than they would be at ASHO, because AO had
> more of a vested interest in moving you onto your OT Levels than ASHO
> did. (It would be more in ASHO's interest to keep you forever, since
> by completing you, they'd lose you.)
>
> The subject of preps delivery was a very hot subject in PAC.
> Regardless of the theory that an org "booms through training,"
> factually, the vast majority of org income comes from HGC delivery. OT
> Preps is/was probably the biggest moneymaker in both AO and ASHO. Not
> to mention the other org stats that it has a huge effect on like:
> Value of Services Delivered, Well Done Auditing Hours, Paid
> Completions. It's factually, one of the biggest, if not the biggest,
> stat maker in an SO Org.
>
> There have been forcible handlings that have occurred over the years
> to eliminate the competition between AO and ASHO on this subject. The
> "PAC Unscramble" thing had a lot of attention of Int managment in
> recent years.
>
> Whatever the AO/ASHO Prep thing that Cerri mentioned was that she got
> in the promo piece, and the weird preps stats from AO are, I'm sure
> it's a result of one of these PAC "handlings" to "unscramble the PAC
> Bridge."

Wow! Fabulous data Lulu Belle.  Thanks so much.

I found a copy of that promo piece.  It is actually an AOLA Promo
piece (17' x 22') 4 color glossary.  It's pretty much the same old 
pitch but it does say :

"Come to the PAC Bridge this summer and go OT full time.  With the 
combined delivery capacity of AOLA and ASHO, pre-OTs are moving up The 
Bridge through the OT levels at amazing speed.  All arbitraries have 
been removed-- more OTs are being made at AOLA than ever in its history.

"There is nothing like moving up The Bridge at the PAC Base in the 
largest community of Scientologists in teh world...."

There are lots of pictures but one of them is a picture entitled

"THE ASHO AND AOLA DELIVERY TEAM"

The face count is 94 people in this photo.

Additional photos show a very busy L.Ron Hubbard Way and AOLA 
reception, but if you've been in Scn for any amount of time you
know the photos are never spontaneous, but instead they are always
set up to look very busy and very perfect.  You never see fat or ugly 
or poorly dressed people in Scn pictures.

Now there is a Q and A section or "Common Questions" Sections

"Q.  What about my OT Preparations auditing?

OT Preps can only be done at a Saint Hill org or above 
(ref: the grade chart).  Note: that with all arbitraries removed from 
your route to OT, this action handled exactly and precisely the actions 
you need to make it onto the OT levels.  Many pre-OTs get through this 
action in 1-2 intensives.  Again, this can be done concurrent with Solo 
I, or when arriving to AOLA (before starting Solo II). With our recently
expanded service lines, our service in this HGC is instant."

Then there is this 2 x 2 inch box that says

"OT FACT - AOLA is producing the highest number of OTS in its history
with an OT made every 2 hours!"

Lots more of the usual promo stuff and 
a inset with a photo of Stephanie Cary, Captain AOLA.

--
Cerridwen

Lurking Scientologists start here:
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats.htm

 
From: Lulu Belle (exesso96@yahoo.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-24 10:01:36 PST 

[snip]

> > Whatever the AO/ASHO Prep thing that Cerri mentioned was that she got
> > in the promo piece, and the weird preps stats from AO are, I'm sure
> > it's a result of one of these PAC "handlings" to "unscramble the PAC
> > Bridge."
> 
> Wow! Fabulous data Lulu Belle.  Thanks so much.
> 
> I found a copy of that promo piece.  It is actually an AOLA Promo
> piece (17' x 22') 4 color glossary.  It's pretty much the same old 
> pitch but it does say :
> 
> "Come to the PAC Bridge this summer and go OT full time.  

That's a dead giveaway that what I said about PAC Unscramble is the
correct explanation.

"The PAC Bridge" is the Unscramble buzzword. You would never find a
PAC org use that term on their own, without management intervention.

Orgs are interested in their own stats only. Staff get paid by their
own org GI, not by the GI of the org next door. It's their own stats
that they get judged by by management. As a matter of fact, if another
org does well, they are upbraided for being poor by comparison. They
compete with each other in the Birthday Game.

I can tell you that the PAC staff HATED the "one big happy family -
PAC Bridge" thing that was foisted on them. In reality, there isn't
really a lot of interaction between the orgs normally. They are a
whole lot happier and more comfortable when they are in competition
with each other.

This is from part of this thread from Deomorto (hasn't made it to this
newsreader):

> Interesting list of names - going back to lulu's comments on the
> Unscramble eval - if that was what was being done then there should
> have been no OT Preps for the latest quarter of stats - but, instead,
> there were 59 of them.

This is my guess as to what happened:

1. There was an order that came down that AOLA could no longer deliver
Preps - they all had to be done at ASHO. May have even ripped off
AOLA's HGC auditors and sent them to ASHO in the process. Probably
accompanied by a mission.

2. The no-more-Preps thing crashed AOLA's stats. 

3. Someone from management decided that, to counter the stat crash,
AOLA could count all the Preps comps that had been done. Some workout
so that preps could be an ASHO-only service without killing AO.

59 preps comps is a lot of comps. Somehow it has to be a "backlog"
stat of some kind, meaning, they were now allowed to count them when
the couldn't before, so they were counted all at once.

Another similar scenario was that AOLA was told they couldn't count
their Preps comps because it was supposed to be an ASHO service. It
crashed their stats. Someone reversed the order, and they got to count
them all at one time.

My guess is that it's something along these lines.


 
From: ladayla (ladayla_member@newsguy.com )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-25 11:51:07 PST 

In article [7db3d0ad.0208240901.2aeb5d5c@posting.google.com], exesso96@yahoo.com
says... 

>
>[snip] 

I have a guess that OT Preps are being delivered at ASHO because they can have
Briefing Course students deliver them as student auditing ( for course
completion) at no cost to the Org.
I don't know about 'now', but historically there are many more students on
course at ASHO than there are at AOLA. That provides a pool of unpaid auditors
to deliver expensive services.

la 


 From: Beverly Rice (dbj1120@mpinet.net )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-25 13:20:35 PST 

ladayla wrote: 

> I have a guess that OT Preps are being delivered at ASHO because they can have
> Briefing Course students deliver them as student auditing ( for course
> completion) at no cost to the Org.
> I don't know about 'now', but historically there are many more students on
> course at ASHO than there are at AOLA. That provides a pool of unpaid auditors
> to deliver expensive services. 

For newbies:
ASHO - American St. Hill Organization
AOLA - Advanced Org of Los Angeles

They are both in LA.

ldayla . . . why is it that ASHO students will deliver the
auditing for free?  I would like to know,please.

The Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, SHSBC, for the complete
package runs about $32,000.00.  I believe that most people buy
it in bits, since most people don't have the money to pay for 
it all at once.

But now, besides taking their money (plus the price goes up
if you end up having to take extra intensives) . . . 

you think they make them give out services without any
compensation as well?

[snip]


From: Cerridwen (anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org )
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology 
Date: 2002-08-25 11:15:26 PST 

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"Deomorto" [deomorto@my-deja.com] wrote in message
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>
> Sheesh Cerri you need to be careful, the int data Bureau is going to
> be looking to recruit you! 

Yes they'd love to get their hands on me in more ways than one.

> Thank you for additional data!

Sure.  ;-)

>
> And - thank you for the compliments in the other posting,  you made me
> blush! (and as anyone who knows me can tell you - that is no mean
> feat).

:-)) Your welcome deo, I'm happy to hear of this!

>
> Interesting list of names - going back to lulu's comments on the
> Unscramble eval - if that was what was being done then there should
> have been no OT Preps for the latest quarter of stats - but, instead,
> there were 59 of them.

Yes, Lulu has added some additional comments that are quite good.

I figure between the three of us we should be able analyze these stats
and up coming stats quite well.

>
> your comments about the promotion of how quickly one can get through
> the OT levels is pretty interesting - every time something like this
> is done it results in a total fiasco. It is also going to fuck up the
> income because people will not use up their APR's, so I guess that
> will result in large amounts of "booksales" as the regges etc get them
> to debit their accounts. That will please DM and Norman - ASI will get
> bags of moolah out of that.

Ya, a reg's dream, to book those fat APR accounts.

>
> Still they will be able to reg all these people again to "clean up the
> cases.." that's always a money maker...

But of course, and it amazes me that most (not all) of them buy it 
again.

>
> I was surprised to see Anne Archer and Jenna Elfman on the OT V comps
> - I would have figured they would have completed that long ago. Hmm it
> sounds like there has been some pressure applied to CC Int..

Yes, I think it's part of this overall "Year of the OT"  where DM
is trying to cover his ass and make it look like he knows what
the hell he is doing.  The stats are definitely way up this year from 
last year but they have been on a dismal decline overall.  It will now 
be interesting to watch if the stats stay at this level (generally up) 
or if they slowly but surely start to decline.  I think DM is at a 
pivotal point.  He has got to keep the stats up and the OT's rolling 
off this line and he's got to start consistently making
St. Hill Size Orgs.  There were just too many Scio's scratching their 
heads wondering what was going on.  He's bought himself some breathing 
room with these stats and with 6 St. Hill size orgs in the past 6 
months, but who knows if the trend will last.  

Hopefully, the stats from Flag and AO will give us an indicator of what 
is going on.  

I am really interested in collecting consistant data on the Class V 
orgs.  The local orgs all produce a Major Mag every few months with 
completions.   People could just tally them up in under 5 minutes as 
these completion lists usually have only 10 to 50 total completions.

We could then start getting an idea if the Class V orgs were dying on 
the vine or starting to improve.

Btw, I think I'll put a pitch in here to anyone who is interested in 
following the stats and wants to help out.  If you get local org mags 
you could either post the stats here on ars or you could email or snail 
mail Kristi with the data.  

Personally, I am very interested in keeping an eye on Scn's expansion 
or lack thereof.  I see Scn promoting that they are in the midst 
of "unprecedented expansion" which of course has been going on for the 
past 20 years, and we all know how they lie about this stuff for the 
past 20 years as well.

On the other hand I see certain critics claiming or thinking that the 
entire Scn empire is about to crash in on itself and disappear, which 
is the dream of someone that is quite clueless about the reality of Scn.

I think an honest and accurate accounting of their stats is important 
for many reasons, but mainly so that the Indoc'd Ones will have what 
they consider to be RAW DATA.  One thing about Scios is that they 
know what the stats mean.  If Flag turns out to have a 10 year danger 
trend then most Scientologists will stop and look at that.  It's one of 
those built in things with Scientologists, expecially anyone that has 
been in on staff or in an exec position. No matter how much Indocing 
your've got going on, Stats seem to cut right through the Indoc.  

And no matter how much Scientologists try to justify things they can 
not justify down stats. Downstats get a "it does not compute" response
from them and send the indoc into a tither. 

>
> If you - or anyone else - gets a chance maybe searching through the
> comps lists for CC Int will show how many of these names come from
> there.
>

Good Idea, I'll put it on my list  ;-)

> as ever cerri - thank you for taking the time to make this an
> interesting newsgroup!

well thank you deo for your contributions as well.  It really helps to 
be able to talk to a sane person who understands what these stats
really mean.

cerri

From: ptsc (ptsc_AT_nym_DOT_cryptofortress_DOT_com)
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-08-25 14:25:42 PST 

On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:09:11 -0400, "Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org]
wrote:

>Yes, I think it's part of this overall "Year of the OT"  where DM
>is trying to cover his ass and make it look like he knows what
>the hell he is doing.  The stats are definitely way up this year from 
>last year but they have been on a dismal decline overall.  It will now 
>be interesting to watch if the stats stay at this level (generally up) 
>or if they slowly but surely start to decline.  I think DM is at a 
>pivotal point.  He has got to keep the stats up and the OT's rolling 
>off this line and he's got to start consistently making
>St. Hill Size Orgs.  There were just too many Scio's scratching their 
>heads wondering what was going on.  He's bought himself some breathing 
>room with these stats and with 6 St. Hill size orgs in the past 6 
>months, but who knows if the trend will last.  

What about the fact that these "new St. Hill size orgs" are flat-out
bogus?  They are frankly false reports.  Ted reports the Vegas
org going "St. Hill size" and rather tellingly, they didn't even hang
up the "St. Hill Size" banner in the front, but in the back, as if they
knew that it was a false report and were ashamed of it.  Maybe
I'm reading too much into that, but I am baffled as to how they can
claim the orgs in question are "St. Hill Size," with one of the more
flagrantly bogus claims being the Vegas org Ted reported on.

ptsc

From: Ted Mayett (ted-mayett@skylink.net)
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-08-26 09:46:44 PST 

On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:21:11 -0400, ptsc [ptsc AT nym DOT
cryptofortress DOT com] wrote:

>On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:09:11 -0400, "Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org]
>wrote:
>
>>Yes, I think it's part of this overall "Year of the OT"  where DM
>>is trying to cover his ass and make it look like he knows what
>>the hell he is doing.  The stats are definitely way up this year from 
>>last year but they have been on a dismal decline overall.  It will now 
>>be interesting to watch if the stats stay at this level (generally up) 
>>or if they slowly but surely start to decline.  I think DM is at a 
>>pivotal point.  He has got to keep the stats up and the OT's rolling 
>>off this line and he's got to start consistently making
>>St. Hill Size Orgs.  There were just too many Scio's scratching their 
>>heads wondering what was going on.  He's bought himself some breathing 
>>room with these stats and with 6 St. Hill size orgs in the past 6 
>>months, but who knows if the trend will last.  
>
>What about the fact that these "new St. Hill size orgs" are flat-out
>bogus?  They are frankly false reports.  Ted reports the Vegas
>org going "St. Hill size" and rather tellingly, they didn't even hang
>up the "St. Hill Size" banner in the front, but in the back, as if they
>knew that it was a false report and were ashamed of it.  Maybe
>I'm reading too much into that, but I am baffled as to how they can
>claim the orgs in question are "St. Hill Size," with one of the more
>flagrantly bogus claims being the Vegas org Ted reported on.
>
>ptsc

No, the banner said, "We Are Going St. Hill Size"
It did not say 'we are st. hill size'.

My theory was that they hung the banner in the back of the building
because they were told to hang it somewhere by the upline masters.
They know the banner is a lie, they are not going st. hill size, they
are nothing resembling st. hill size.  So they hung the lousy banner
where the fewest of people could see the thing.

This is nothing new anyway as I think about it.  While I was a monkey
in good standing, banners would come in that were required to be hung
up and displayed.  Most times they were cheaply made affairs, and
sometimes the staff would hang them out of view of the public.

Fast-food banners for 99 cent hamburgers are better made and have more
colors used than some or most of these scientology banners.


From: Lulu Belle (exesso96@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-08-26 18:21:25 PST 

Ted Mayett [ted-mayett@skylink.net] wrote in message 
[78mkmuoh8hpsn72umo533r1e0bepgel572@4ax.com]...
> On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:21:11 -0400, ptsc [ptsc AT nym DOT
> cryptofortress DOT com] wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:09:11 -0400, "Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org]
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Yes, I think it's part of this overall "Year of the OT"  where DM
> >>is trying to cover his ass and make it look like he knows what
> >>the hell he is doing.  The stats are definitely way up this year from 
> >>last year but they have been on a dismal decline overall.  It will now 
> >>be interesting to watch if the stats stay at this level (generally up) 
> >>or if they slowly but surely start to decline.  I think DM is at a 
> >>pivotal point.  He has got to keep the stats up and the OT's rolling 
> >>off this line and he's got to start consistently making
> >>St. Hill Size Orgs.  There were just too many Scio's scratching their 
> >>heads wondering what was going on.  He's bought himself some breathing 
> >>room with these stats and with 6 St. Hill size orgs in the past 6 
> >>months, but who knows if the trend will last.  
> >
> >What about the fact that these "new St. Hill size orgs" are flat-out
> >bogus?  They are frankly false reports.  Ted reports the Vegas
> >org going "St. Hill size" and rather tellingly, they didn't even hang
> >up the "St. Hill Size" banner in the front, but in the back, as if they
> >knew that it was a false report and were ashamed of it.  Maybe
> >I'm reading too much into that, but I am baffled as to how they can
> >claim the orgs in question are "St. Hill Size," with one of the more
> >flagrantly bogus claims being the Vegas org Ted reported on.
> >
> >ptsc
> 
> No, the banner said, "We Are Going St. Hill Size"
> It did not say 'we are st. hill size'.
> 
> My theory was that they hung the banner in the back of the building
> because they were told to hang it somewhere by the upline masters.

True. It is probably a "target" on their "St. Hill Size Program" run
by the Flag Representative.

For the uninitiated: Management gives orgs programs that are supposed
to be run by staff. Different programs are sent to different staff.
Programs are a series of actions or orders or steps that the staff are
supposed to do or get done. Then some kind of "proof" that the action
is done is sent uplines to show the compliance to the program.

It is typical of a "Saint Hill Size Program" that the first action is
a banner saying the org is "going Saint Hill Size." The banner is
made, it gets hung, and a photo is taken of it which goes uplines.

This becomes a "completed target" on a program. This is one of the
major statistics of the Flag Rep.

As bizzare as it sounds for an org that probably has ten public. The
target on the program is still considered to be done. This is how it
works.

From: Ted Mayett (ted-mayett@skylink.net)
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-08-26 18:43:10 PST 

On 26 Aug 2002 18:21:25 -0700, exesso96@yahoo.com (Lulu Belle) wrote:

>It is typical of a "Saint Hill Size Program" that the first action is
>a banner saying the org is "going Saint Hill Size." The banner is
>made, it gets hung, and a photo is taken of it which goes uplines.
>
>This becomes a "completed target" on a program. This is one of the
>major statistics of the Flag Rep.
>
>As bizzare as it sounds for an org that probably has ten public. The
>target on the program is still considered to be done. This is how it
>works.

Without a doubt this is correct.  But just for the record, this
particular org in Las Vegas, Nevada has been going St. Hill Size since
1995.  It might even have been earlier than that.  

But it was in 1995, shortly before I left, that I heard some talk of
'st hill size'.

And a little tid-bit for the sad-news-department:
A few Sunday's ago, and it must have been during "church-service"
time, they had a vehicle count of 17.  Sad news :(  But we don't know
if this was the combined might of both orgs, the Mission, and all the
public they have showing up all at once.


From: Thomas J Best (thomasjbest@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-08-27 03:07:23 PST 

exesso96@yahoo.com (Lulu Belle) wrote in message 
[7db3d0ad.0208261721.53b156dd@posting.google.com]...
> Ted Mayett [ted-mayett@skylink.net] wrote in message 
[78mkmuoh8hpsn72umo533r1e0bepgel572@4ax.com]...
> > On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:21:11 -0400, ptsc [ptsc AT nym DOT
> > cryptofortress DOT com] wrote:
> > 
> > >On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:09:11 -0400, "Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org]
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>Yes, I think it's part of this overall "Year of the OT"  where DM
> > >>is trying to cover his ass and make it look like he knows what
> > >>the hell he is doing.  The stats are definitely way up this year from 
> > >>last year but they have been on a dismal decline overall.  It will now 
> > >>be interesting to watch if the stats stay at this level (generally up) 
> > >>or if they slowly but surely start to decline.  I think DM is at a 
> > >>pivotal point.  He has got to keep the stats up and the OT's rolling 
> > >>off this line and he's got to start consistently making
> > >>St. Hill Size Orgs.  There were just too many Scio's scratching their 
> > >>heads wondering what was going on.  He's bought himself some breathing 
> > >>room with these stats and with 6 St. Hill size orgs in the past 6 
> > >>months, but who knows if the trend will last.  
> > >
> > >What about the fact that these "new St. Hill size orgs" are flat-out
> > >bogus?  They are frankly false reports.  Ted reports the Vegas
> > >org going "St. Hill size" and rather tellingly, they didn't even hang
> > >up the "St. Hill Size" banner in the front, but in the back, as if they
> > >knew that it was a false report and were ashamed of it.  Maybe
> > >I'm reading too much into that, but I am baffled as to how they can
> > >claim the orgs in question are "St. Hill Size," with one of the more
> > >flagrantly bogus claims being the Vegas org Ted reported on.
> > >
> > >ptsc
> > 
> > No, the banner said, "We Are Going St. Hill Size"
> > It did not say 'we are st. hill size'.
> > 
> > My theory was that they hung the banner in the back of the building
> > because they were told to hang it somewhere by the upline masters.
> 
> 
> 
> True. It is probably a "target" on their "St. Hill Size Program" run
> by the Flag Representative.
> 
> For the uninitiated: Management gives orgs programs that are supposed
> to be run by staff. Different programs are sent to different staff.
> Programs are a series of actions or orders or steps that the staff are
> supposed to do or get done. Then some kind of "proof" that the action
> is done is sent uplines to show the compliance to the program.
> 
> It is typical of a "Saint Hill Size Program" that the first action is
> a banner saying the org is "going Saint Hill Size." The banner is
> made, it gets hung, and a photo is taken of it which goes uplines.
> 
> This becomes a "completed target" on a program. This is one of the
> major statistics of the Flag Rep.
> 
> As bizzare as it sounds for an org that probably has ten public. The
> target on the program is still considered to be done. This is how it
> works.

This was *exactly* what killed the mighty and powerful USSR.
Everything 'planned' by the all-powerful 'centre', backed by
the inscrutable, unaccountable and fearsome coercion of the
Bolshevik Politburo. Didn't matter that the 'target' stat
was fudged and massaged all the way up the line, just so
as the 'plan' was 'fulfilled' on paper, and everybody's
ass was covered.

tam

"Of the few innocent pleasures left....
the jamming of commonsense down the throats
of fools is perhaps the keenest."
Thomas Huxley

From: Cerridwen (anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org)
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-08-27 15:07:37 PST 

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"ptsc" [ptsc AT nym DOT cryptofortress DOT com] wrote in message
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>
> What about the fact that these "new St. Hill size orgs" are flat-out
> bogus?  They are frankly false reports.  Ted reports the Vegas
> org going "St. Hill size" and rather tellingly, they didn't even hang
> up the "St. Hill Size" banner in the front, but in the back, as if  they
> knew that it was a false report and were ashamed of it.  Maybe
> I'm reading too much into that, but I am baffled as to how they can
> claim the orgs in question are "St. Hill Size," with one of the more
> flagrantly bogus claims being the Vegas org Ted reported on.
>
> ptsc

The six org that have GONE  St. Hill size  in the past 6 months are:

Two orgs in Mexico city
St. Petersburg Russia
Padova, Italy
Budapest, Hungary
Venezuela.

All are off the beaten path and ARS  may not have
any members able to run by the org and do a check on them.

So Yes these could be false reports but I don't think so.
I think all 6 orgs met the minimum requirements of being
officially declared ST. Hill size which is several
hundred staff on post and several hundred people enrolled
in the academy and a certain amount of WDAH a week and the
Cash/Bills uncrossed.

The recent Scn Events show video taped footage of these St. Hill
size orgs which of course, could be all bogus but even with my
very low opinion of Int Mgmt, I am farily certain they are not 
producing bogus video footage of these orgs and the number of staff and 
students that exist.

They might be able to fake one St. Hill size org but NOT six.

Now the Vegas orgs are about as far away from St. Hill size as you're 
gonna see. Vegas has a banner saying they are "going" St. Hill size, 
because that is what they are trying to do they are trying to GO St. 
Hill size.  They are not even close and it is not being claimed that 
they are.  It is only being claimed that they are trying.

The six orgs above have GONE St. Hill size, meaning they have met the
requirements of being declared St. Hill size, and  for the life of me I 
can not find an exact and accurate list of those damn requirements and 
I wish someone would find and post the damn things.

So yes, we know they lie, but these six orgs probably have met the St. 
Hill requirements.  The fact that they are in places like Venezuela and 
Budapest makes it all very suspicious but I see no evidence yet of a 
false report.  DM has bought himself some breathing room for now.

--
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From: Lulu Belle (exesso96@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-08-28 03:18:15 PST 

"Cerridwen" [anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] wrote in message 
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> several times but the remailers are not cooperating.
> 
> 
> "ptsc" [ptsc AT nym DOT cryptofortress DOT com] wrote in message
> news:ndiimu8sp191r67jh9gnfel2gacjlfbohj@4ax.com...
> >
> > What about the fact that these "new St. Hill size orgs" are flat-out
> > bogus?  They are frankly false reports.  Ted reports the Vegas
> > org going "St. Hill size" and rather tellingly, they didn't even hang
> > up the "St. Hill Size" banner in the front, but in the back, as if  they
> > knew that it was a false report and were ashamed of it.  Maybe
> > I'm reading too much into that, but I am baffled as to how they can
> > claim the orgs in question are "St. Hill Size," with one of the more
> > flagrantly bogus claims being the Vegas org Ted reported on.
> >
> > ptsc
> 
> The six org that have GONE  St. Hill size  in the past 6 months are:
> 
> Two orgs in Mexico city
> St. Petersburg Russia
> Padova, Italy
> Budapest, Hungary
> Venezuela.
> 
> All are off the beaten path and ARS  may not have
> any members able to run by the org and do a check on them.
> 
> So Yes these could be false reports but I don't think so.
> I think all 6 orgs met the minimum requirements of being
> officially declared ST. Hill size which is several
> hundred staff on post and several hundred people enrolled
> in the academy and a certain amount of WDAH a week and the
> Cash/Bills uncrossed.

I think you may be right.

As I have posted previously, the biggest barrier an org has in getting
to be SHS is lack of staff.

From what I've heard (and I don't have first hand experience with
this) it's a lot easier to get people to join staff in some of these
"third world" countries.

A lot of these people are poor, and there are no jobs. Working long
hours in an org for little money may not be much different than what
is offered to them elsewhere. Kind of "levels the playing field."

Also, these people haven't necessarily heard bad things about
Scientology. Scientology has the hardest time recruiting staff in
areas where they have been around a long time, especially where there
are a lot of ex-staff around, like LA.

I have also heard that a lot of "out quals" that tend to exist in the
US, like psych histories and huge amounts of credit card debt, which
would make people not able to be on staff, don't exist in a lot of
these countries.

From what I've heard also, most of these SHS orgs start off as
missions. A lot of what a mission does is Div VI services and selling
books, neither of which requires a lot of training. I remember seeing
some video about some mission in some foreign country with what looked
like over a hundred staff. Someone told me later that pretty much
*all* that mission did was sell books.


From: Deomorto (deomorto@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-08-28 14:01:34 PST 

exesso96@yahoo.com (Lulu Belle) wrote in message 
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> >  
> > The six org that have GONE  St. Hill size  in the past 6 months are:
> > 
> > Two orgs in Mexico city
> > St. Petersburg Russia
> > Padova, Italy
> > Budapest, Hungary
> > Venezuela.
> > 
> > All are off the beaten path and ARS  may not have
> > any members able to run by the org and do a check on them.
> > 
> > So Yes these could be false reports but I don't think so.
> > I think all 6 orgs met the minimum requirements of being
> > officially declared ST. Hill size which is several
> > hundred staff on post and several hundred people enrolled
> > in the academy and a certain amount of WDAH a week and the
> > Cash/Bills uncrossed.
> 
> 
> 
> I think you may be right.
> 
> As I have posted previously, the biggest barrier an org has in getting
> to be SHS is lack of staff.
> 
> From what I've heard (and I don't have first hand experience with
> this) it's a lot easier to get people to join staff in some of these
> "third world" countries.
> 
> A lot of these people are poor, and there are no jobs. Working long
> hours in an org for little money may not be much different than what
> is offered to them elsewhere. Kind of "levels the playing field."
> 

The only one of those in a half-way "real" economy is Padova. But what
would be interesting would be to know what the Gross Income and CGI
and VSD are of those 6 orgs. I believe that when OC was at its height
it was running around $100,000 GI  - if any organization in St
Petersberg was making that sort of money per week - believe me the
Russian Mob would have them by the nuts.


From: Lulu Belle (exesso96@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-08-29 03:14:04 PST 

[snip]

> > As I have posted previously, the biggest barrier an org has in getting
> > to be SHS is lack of staff.
> > 
> > From what I've heard (and I don't have first hand experience with
> > this) it's a lot easier to get people to join staff in some of these
> > "third world" countries.
> > 
> > A lot of these people are poor, and there are no jobs. Working long
> > hours in an org for little money may not be much different than what
> > is offered to them elsewhere. Kind of "levels the playing field."
> > 
> 
> The only one of those in a half-way "real" economy is Padova. But what
> would be interesting would be to know what the Gross Income and CGI
> and VSD are of those 6 orgs. 

You are right. I'm sure adjustments are made with these countries as
to the income the org would have to make based on that country's
economy.

> I believe that when OC was at its height
> it was running around $100,000 GI  - if any organization in St
> Petersberg was making that sort of money per week - believe me the
> Russian Mob would have them by the nuts.

Orange County org was kind of an anomoly.

John Woodruff, the ex-ED, was probably one of the best, if not the
best, executives Scientology ever had. He had tech training (I believe
he was a Grad V), which a lot of Scientology execs don't have. He was
also an experienced business man. I don't recall what kind of business
he was in, but I'm almost positive he ran some kind of successful
business before Scientology.

Orange County itself is yuppyville. Full of white collar
professionals. John tapped into that market. People would be
introduced to Scientology through WISE management counsultant
companies, primarily Sterling. These people would then be routed to OC
Org.

The org itself looked more like a business than a church. I think it
had once been some kind of a strip mall. It had that look, with the
grey carpet and cubicle dividers. Woodruff was criticized for this by
Scn managment, but, considering his public, this was probably a smart
thing. He and his staff looked and acted much more like professional
business people than your average Scientology staff. The org made
enough money so that he could actually afford to have decent people
working for him.

A lot of his public were wealthy professionals, such as chiropractors,
dentists and doctors. In its heyday the org had routinely higher GI
than most Sea Org service orgs. There were weeks when OC's GI was
equal to or greater than AOLA's, which is the highest grossing SO org
besides FSO.

A series of things happened which hurt the org. Time Magazines's
article on Scientology really blasted Sterling Managment. This hurt
Sterling, which in turn hurt OC. I know at some point they had a huge
amount of refund requests (possibly related to the Sterling thing; I
don't know). Dave Petit, John's long time Deputy ED (another excellent
executive) was recruited into the SO and became the CO of CC Int. John
was pulled out of OC to become the ED of LA Day.

I have no idea how the org is doing now. If anyone knows, I'd love to
hear about it.




From: Cerridwen (anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org)
Subject: Re: AOLA stats July 2002 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2002-08-28 07:07:32 PST 

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"Lulu Belle" [exesso96@yahoo.com] wrote in message 
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> 
> As I have posted previously, the biggest barrier an org has in getting
> to be SHS is lack of staff.
> 
> From what I've heard (and I don't have first hand experience with
> this) it's a lot easier to get people to join staff in some of these
> "third world" countries.
> 
> A lot of these people are poor, and there are no jobs. Working long
> hours in an org for little money may not be much different than what
> is offered to them elsewhere. Kind of "levels the playing field."

This makes alot of sense.  The only org it may not apply to is
Padova.   I understand Italy has a fairly good standard of living
and Scn is doing quite well there.

> 
> Also, these people haven't necessarily heard bad things about
> Scientology. Scientology has the hardest time recruiting staff in
> areas where they have been around a long time, especially where there
> are a lot of ex-staff around, like LA.

Another good point.  Add to that the fact that there may not be
many or any sites critical of scn in Hungarian, Russian, Spanish
or Italian. 

> 
> I have also heard that a lot of "out quals" that tend to exist in the
> US, like psych histories and huge amounts of credit card debt, which
> would make people not able to be on staff, don't exist in a lot of
> these countries.

I never thought of this one.  This is an excellent point.  And again due
to Scn sort of being "new" to the area and there not being alot of
bad PR, they probably don't run into alot of antagonism with family 
members.

Additionally, I don't have any way to confirm this but these orgs may 
be Foundation orgs.  Many US orgs, especially the older ones have two 
orgs in one.  For those not in the know on this, NY org for example, 
has both a Day and a Foundation org.  These are two separate and 
distinct orgs and both are required to go SHS.

Day org hours are generally 9am to 6pm Monday through Friday and 
Foundation Org hours are 6pm to 10pm Monday through Friday plus 
weekends.

If these newer SHS orgs are only Foundation orgs, it allows for many of 
the staff to have a decent "moonlight" or full time money making job.

In theory, if an Org is SHS. it is beyond the "make-break point" and 
can support it's staff with a decent wage.

> 
> From what I've heard also, most of these SHS orgs start off as
> missions. A lot of what a mission does is Div VI services and selling
> books, neither of which requires a lot of training. I remember seeing
> some video about some mission in some foreign country with what looked
> like over a hundred staff. Someone told me later that pretty much
> *all* that mission did was sell books.

Exactly.

Thanks for the continuing flow of good data Lulu.  It really is 
appreciated.

-- 
Cerridwen

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